Bug It Forward.. - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

blackcloud9 · 10-03-2011, 04:49 PM

Two experienced kayakers flipped? Certainly not an accident. Slashed
ropes, not nets, that's another thing.

Thanks for the clarification on what actually happened Wade. At first
glance the story is hard to believe, so forgive me for not getting it, but,
that sucks that it happened to you guys. I was nearby, and have never
had a problem out there so its a little stunning.

I'm sure a small fleet of excited kayakers arriving together drew
unnecessary attention.

Somebody pulled this off in cold, pitch black, kelpy red tide with no dive
lights -my sense is that these were not environmentalist wackos trying to
save the lobsters.

herbo · 10-03-2011, 06:22 PM

Thanks for all your valuable input Wade, Hope your shoulder gets better soon ....H

wade · 10-03-2011, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackcloud9

Two experienced kayakers flipped? Certainly not an accident. Slashed
ropes, not nets, that's another thing.

Thanks for the clarification on what actually happened Wade. At first
glance the story is hard to believe, so forgive me for not getting it, but,
that sucks that it happened to you guys. I was nearby, and have never
had a problem out there so its a little stunning.

I'm sure a small fleet of excited kayakers arriving together drew
unnecessary attention.

Somebody pulled this off in cold, pitch black, kelpy red tide with no dive
lights -my sense is that these were not environmentalist wackos trying to
save the lobsters.

No prob Larry, any time I'm too vague & need more info let me know i tend to do that often..I never had a problem before either..I dont think its environmentalist personally either. i think its possibly some locals who have secured a solid local live well like Vons' Maine

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blackcloud9 · 10-04-2011, 01:28 AM

Posted this for probably one bored local diver* unable to cope with
watching a successful hunter-kayaker while their opening night was
TOTALLY SHOT due to really crappy visibility? (* maybe?)

***********************************

Disclaimer:
I was between 30 and 100 yds from Wade and crew all night, hooping.
I think a post like this is very short-sighted, your shoulder will heal, and
the next time you get skunked here and have buoys all over your spot
you may regret posting it. Just my 2c.

Deamon · 10-04-2011, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackcloud9

I'm sure a small fleet of excited kayakers arriving together drew
unnecessary attention.

I'm kind of thinking Wade doesn't flail around like a puppy dog when he's arriving to his spot (some of us others, yes, but Wade???)...Whooping it up after a good catch or a keeper bug? please...I'm picturing smooth, low key, rasta all good...unless you fugg with him...

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluesquids

Please don't be outwardly aggressive to freedivers unless warranted. Most are not gonna pull any kind of crap. Personally, the last thing I want to think about is swimming into someones lines underwater. There's enough Bullsh*t day to day on land....that's not why we're all out there.

Squids, you sound like the real deal...but I gotta say most freedivers could give a rats arse about my set. Hoopers go agro because most divers will...without hesitation...go right through our sets and it does shut down bugs when it happens.

mbaha · 10-04-2011, 07:48 AM

I love the smell of bullshit in the morning.

With all the bioluminescence there is no way a free diver could sneak up on you undetected. Even on scuba they would leave a trail of glowing bubbles.

Think about it.

grey zone · 10-04-2011, 07:57 AM

I find it hard to believe that a diver flipped a kayak, but I was not there. I have never had a negative experience with one. They are easy to track by their light and usually come and go. If they go by a hoop or two I just assume they cannot see them. I do not think they can see to far with the visibility we encountered. We always suffer mystery damage in the shallows which I assumed was from eels or nets getting caught on sharp rocks. I have had bridle ropes cut on several occasions and wondered was might be responsible. Sunday night revealed a new culprit. I had a 60-70 lb seven gill shark get tangled in a hoop and tear it up. Like I said, I was not there, but unless you have proof keep an open mind to other possibilities.

Aaron&Julie · 10-04-2011, 12:16 PM

Bluesquids, you're probably right about divers being good dudes/dudettes, but we had divers (or their boat buddies) that didn't qualify as such on our Sat night bug trip in SD bay, from 2 different boats. I won't go into details, but for every group of good people there are assholes about, be they divers, fishermen or kayakers. Just see Scallywags post.
We are going to police our stuff even more closely in the future.

The Great Blumpkin · 10-04-2011, 12:36 PM

Last time I wore my buff all day I saw this in the mirror!

and I swear somebody grabbed me!

mbaha · 10-04-2011, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron&Julie

but for every group of good people there are assholes about, be they divers, fishermen or kayakers. Just see Scallywags post.
We are going to police our stuff even more closely in the future.

Or the jackoffs advocating hooking divers and throwing seal bombs at them.....

wade · 10-04-2011, 04:02 PM

Step outside our perfect little worlds for a minute..
Use your brain and think about it just a bit further, but from the perspective of a thief..The same "problem" you mention but fail to fully recognize, is in the divers favor of being UN-detected..These aren't regular recreational divers first off. You can all live there, and or be hooping 100 yards from me off your surfboards or yaks, but you dont have any clue as to my ordeal & the direct cause. Territorial Surfers will drop in on a kook in a heartbeat harass and even maim his back with their skegs for no good reason other than wave rights. These are pissed of thieving divers who think they own the ocean. The entire water column was glowing. & that means EVERYTHING. Every wave, every little piece of bait is glowing. Every piece of kelp is lit up like a christmas tree. Every second something else is glowing everywhere you look. They had a pretty good cover of distraction going on, especially when you have to keep your guard up at all times in that impact zone & on a yak. Glowing Seals, Glowing waves, Glowing broken off kelp, your precious seven gill sharks glowing ,neon dolphins, and most importantly is the rope from the traps also lights up making it extremely EASY to find in those soupy conditions, especially when its first being dropped & given 15 minutes before you return... AND being covered by a upper canopy of kelp also does a great job of hiding your trails from above.. Its very plausible, because it did happen & no other way did it occur. I have an open mind, and know exactly what caused this & It sure wasnt no seven gill. I have hooped this tight boiler section and countless others in the complete dark, up the entire coast from Mexico to Long Beach, in 10-15 foot seas and small craft warnings at night, and NEVER flipped. Ive gotten swamped on breaking sneaker waves @ night, & never flipped. I hooped right on TOP of razor sharp barnacled jetty rock piles @ night, ive trapped all over the East coast, on the Atlantic Ocean for Crabs, Bugs, even down in the Keys and Gulf of Mexico for Stone Crabs ,Bugs,shrimp,ect & never have I had cuts like this. not even on razor sharp Oyster beds. Not from the Alligators or from Bull sharks chewing on my standing lines, nothing has compared to this, when I repair my nets frequently from minor cuts and tears which is understandable & comes with the territory..When someones car get broken into again next week, or your stuff gets stolen right from under your noses in broad daylight, make sure to tell the police it was none other than a roving brazen gang of Mexican Seven Gills. They MUST be stopped!

sdfisher · 10-04-2011, 07:43 PM

LOL ... preach wade!

And I would drop a seal bomb on a diver in a heartbeat if he was being a dip Sh!t and cutting my nets and flipping me and my buddies. every one has a right to the ocean and if you want to do stuff like that then you deserve it.

10-03-2011, 06:22 PM	#2
herbo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canyon Country, Ca. Posts: 116	Thanks for all your valuable input Wade, Hope your shoulder gets better soon ....H __________________ mellow yellow malibu eXtreme

10-04-2011, 01:28 AM	#4
blackcloud9 Kayaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Big Rock, WindanSea, La Jolla Posts: 413	Posted this for probably *one* bored local diver* unable to cope with watching a successful hunter-kayaker while their opening night was TOTALLY SHOT due to really crappy visibility? (* maybe?) *********************************** Disclaimer: I was between 30 and 100 yds from Wade and crew all night, hooping. I think a post like this is very short-sighted, your shoulder will heal, and the next time you get skunked here and have buoys all over your spot you may regret posting it. Just my 2c. Last edited by blackcloud9; 10-04-2011 at 03:21 PM.

10-04-2011, 12:16 PM	#8
Aaron&Julie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Spring Valley Posts: 1,400	Bluesquids, you're probably right about divers being good dudes/dudettes, but we had divers (or their boat buddies) that didn't qualify as such on our Sat night bug trip in SD bay, from 2 different boats. I won't go into details, but for every group of good people there are assholes about, be they divers, fishermen or kayakers. Just see Scallywags post. We are going to police our stuff even more closely in the future. __________________ "Never say die"

10-04-2011, 12:36 PM	#9
The Great Blumpkin Junior Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 9	Last time I wore my buff all day I saw this in the mirror! and I swear somebody grabbed me! __________________ http://www.myspace.com/thegreatblumpkin

10-04-2011, 04:02 PM	#11
wade Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Oceanside Posts: 1,214	Step outside our perfect little worlds for a minute.. Use your brain and think about it just a bit further, but from the perspective of a thief..The same "problem" you mention but fail to fully recognize, is in the divers favor of being UN-detected..These aren't regular recreational divers first off. You can all live there, and or be hooping 100 yards from me off your surfboards or yaks, but you dont have any clue as to my ordeal & the direct cause. Territorial Surfers will drop in on a kook in a heartbeat harass and even maim his back with their skegs for no good reason other than wave rights. These are pissed of thieving divers who think they own the ocean. The entire water column was glowing. & that means EVERYTHING. Every wave, every little piece of bait is glowing. Every piece of kelp is lit up like a christmas tree. Every second something else is glowing everywhere you look. They had a pretty good cover of distraction going on, especially when you have to keep your guard up at all times in that impact zone & on a yak. Glowing Seals, Glowing waves, Glowing broken off kelp, your precious seven gill sharks glowing ,neon dolphins, and most importantly is the rope from the traps also lights up making it extremely EASY to find in those soupy conditions, especially when its first being dropped & given 15 minutes before you return... AND being covered by a upper canopy of kelp also does a great job of hiding your trails from above.. Its very plausible, because it did happen & no other way did it occur. I have an open mind, and know exactly what caused this & It sure wasnt no seven gill. I have hooped this tight boiler section and countless others in the complete dark, up the entire coast from Mexico to Long Beach, in 10-15 foot seas and small craft warnings at night, and NEVER flipped. Ive gotten swamped on breaking sneaker waves @ night, & never flipped. I hooped right on TOP of razor sharp barnacled jetty rock piles @ night, ive trapped all over the East coast, on the Atlantic Ocean for Crabs, Bugs, even down in the Keys and Gulf of Mexico for Stone Crabs ,Bugs,shrimp,ect & never have I had cuts like this. not even on razor sharp Oyster beds. Not from the Alligators or from Bull sharks chewing on my standing lines, nothing has compared to this, when I repair my nets frequently from minor cuts and tears which is understandable & comes with the territory..When someones car get broken into again next week, or your stuff gets stolen right from under your noses in broad daylight, make sure to tell the police it was none other than a roving brazen gang of Mexican Seven Gills. They MUST be stopped! __________________ Last edited by wade; 10-06-2011 at 12:20 PM.

10-03-2011, 04:49 PM	#1
blackcloud9 Kayaker Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Big Rock, WindanSea, La Jolla Posts: 413	Two experienced kayakers flipped? Certainly not an accident. Slashed ropes, not nets, that's another thing. Thanks for the clarification on what actually happened Wade. At first glance the story is hard to believe, so forgive me for not getting it, but, that sucks that it happened to you guys. I was nearby, and have never had a problem out there so its a little stunning. I'm sure a small fleet of excited kayakers arriving together drew unnecessary attention. Somebody pulled this off in cold, pitch black, kelpy red tide with no dive lights -my sense is that these were not environmentalist wackos trying to save the lobsters.

10-04-2011, 07:48 AM	#6
mbaha Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 49	I love the smell of bullshit in the morning. With all the bioluminescence there is no way a free diver could sneak up on you undetected. Even on scuba they would leave a trail of glowing bubbles. Think about it.

10-04-2011, 07:57 AM	#7
grey zone Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: san diego Posts: 158	I find it hard to believe that a diver flipped a kayak, but I was not there. I have never had a negative experience with one. They are easy to track by their light and usually come and go. If they go by a hoop or two I just assume they cannot see them. I do not think they can see to far with the visibility we encountered. We always suffer mystery damage in the shallows which I assumed was from eels or nets getting caught on sharp rocks. I have had bridle ropes cut on several occasions and wondered was might be responsible. Sunday night revealed a new culprit. I had a 60-70 lb seven gill shark get tangled in a hoop and tear it up. Like I said, I was not there, but unless you have proof keep an open mind to other possibilities.

10-04-2011, 07:43 PM	#12
sdfisher Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 179	LOL ... preach wade! And I would drop a seal bomb on a diver in a heartbeat if he was being a dip Sh!t and cutting my nets and flipping me and my buddies. every one has a right to the ocean and if you want to do stuff like that then you deserve it.