Live from the BRTF meeting - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

dsafety · 11-10-2009, 04:20 PM

Comments from the little people, (us), are being presented now. Those who support our point of view outnumber the others 3/1. I doubt the BRTF is listening, however. I suspect that their minds are already made up.

One guy raised the ADA card. This is important because many of the proposed closures eliminate access for the handicapped. If someone takes this issue to court, implementation could be delayed for years.

Any attorneys interested in taking this one on?

Bob

Ocean-Angler · 11-10-2009, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsafety

Comments from the little people, (us), are being presented now. Those who support our point of view outnumber the others 3/1. I doubt the BRTF is listening, however. I suspect that their minds are already made up.

One guy raised the ADA card. This is important because many of the proposed closures eliminate access for the handicapped. If someone takes this issue to court, implementation could be delayed for years.

Any attorneys interested in taking this one on?

Bob

thats a DAMN good point, and I saw the guy comment on that on the livepodcast!!!
there will be a MAJOR lawsuit if someone steps up on that....

dsafety · 11-10-2009, 04:37 PM

Good News!!!

They are talking about not changing the shape of the existing LJ reserve. That means that we could catch bait at the pier and fish for anything north of the pier except for a very small area just north of the pier as requested by Scripps.

The BRTF member who lines up against us most of the time will not change her motion to allow this but others in the group seem to be supportive.

Stay tuned.

Bob

dsafety · 11-10-2009, 04:47 PM

It's done. We have option 2. South LJ and Swami's are closed. We get a larger N. LJ area but also a larger La Jolla reserve, including all the areas north of the pier.

This was very interesting to watch. It was obvious to me that the BRTF just wanted to get a result. In their own words, "this is not perfect"

No Shit! The DFG cannot and will not enforce these new regulations. ADA issues may tie this up in court for years.

Watching this process has reinforced my opinion that our Government is broken. Special interests always win.

I suspect that we have not heard the end of this one yet however.

Bob

Willy · 11-10-2009, 05:06 PM

Well said Bob.
We appricate the updates. I caught the end of the live cast on video and like you agree, the government is broken.
Their attitudes at the end really did reflect they just wanted to get some result; science, fairness, and every other bit of hyperbole they used be damned.
I'm ashamed our system has fallen into the hands of special interests, but money talks and bullsh!t gets a promotion.
Hopefully the DFG will tell these folks to shove it.

Sorry for the candor, but this process has me fully flustered.
Well done to those who could make it today, and to those who put so much forth for us all.
Willy

dos ballenas · 11-10-2009, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsafety

It's done. We have option 2. South LJ and Swami's are closed. We get a larger N. LJ area but also a larger La Jolla reserve, including all the areas north of the pier.

This was very interesting to watch. It was obvious to me that the BRTF just wanted to get a result. In their own words, "this is not perfect"

No Shit! The DFG cannot and will not enforce these new regulations. ADA issues may tie this up in court for years.

Watching this process has reinforced my opinion that our Government is broken. Special interests always win.

I suspect that we have not heard the end of this one yet however.

Bob

please specify... do you mean that fishing is closed north of the pier? Or open?

forefrazier · 11-10-2009, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dos ballenas

please specify... do you mean that fishing is closed north of the pier? Or open? Can we fish Blacks?

NO...Just keep on fishing until someone comes up to you in a DFG boat and tells you to leave. Not going to happen anyway.

dsafety · 11-10-2009, 05:19 PM

The shape that was put forward in the latest option 2 was approved. We will be allowed to catch bait at the pier with a hook but the area north of the pier will now be a SMCA, (State Marine Conservation Area). This means that the take from this area will be limited.

I am not sure what the limitations are but given the way this thing has gone, I suspect that is is fairly close to a no-take zone.

It is hard to tell from the map. http://resources.ca.gov/mlpa_scrsg/B...ons_091030.pdf

It looks like the SMCA north of the pier does not include all of Blacks.

I am sure Paul can provide more details.

Bob

dos ballenas · 11-10-2009, 05:26 PM

A big thank you to everyone who could make it today! Sorry I could not be there. Heres to hoping that the final details go smooothly and we can all enjoy fishing parts of La Jolla for the rest of our lives!

As taken from http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/defs.asp#smca

State Marine Conservation Area [36700(c) PRC]

A "state marine conservation area," is a non-terrestrial marine or estuarine area that is designated so the managing agency may achieve one or more of the following:

protect or restore rare, threatened or endangered native plants, animals or habitats in marine areas;
protect or restore outstanding, representative or imperiled marine species, communities, habitats and ecosystems;
protect or restore diverse marine gene pools;
contribute to the understanding and management of marine resources and ecosystems by providing the opportunity for scientific research in outstanding, representative or imperiled marine habitats or ecosystems;
preserve outstanding or unique geological features; or
provide for sustainable living marine resource harvest.

I like # 6... maybe they will allow pelagics...

but its still sad about Swamis... I will always remember you:

Iceman · 11-10-2009, 06:09 PM

BIG Thanks to Kiyo and Baytubers for making sure we got fed today! That was alot of pizza!

11-10-2009, 05:26 PM	#9
dos ballenas Vampyroteuthis infernalis Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 585	A big thank you to everyone who could make it today! Sorry I could not be there. Heres to hoping that the final details go smooothly and we can all enjoy fishing parts of La Jolla for the rest of our lives! As taken from http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa/defs.asp#smca State Marine Conservation Area [36700(c) PRC] A "state marine conservation area," is a non-terrestrial marine or estuarine area that is designated so the managing agency may achieve one or more of the following: protect or restore rare, threatened or endangered native plants, animals or habitats in marine areas; protect or restore outstanding, representative or imperiled marine species, communities, habitats and ecosystems; protect or restore diverse marine gene pools; contribute to the understanding and management of marine resources and ecosystems by providing the opportunity for scientific research in outstanding, representative or imperiled marine habitats or ecosystems; preserve outstanding or unique geological features; or provide for sustainable living marine resource harvest. I like # 6... maybe they will allow pelagics... but its still sad about Swamis... I will always remember you: __________________ ____________________________________________ Last edited by dos ballenas; 11-10-2009 at 09:39 PM. Reason: [IMG]http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/picture.php?albumid=8&pictureid=141[/IMG]

11-10-2009, 06:09 PM	#10
Iceman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 1-2 miles off the point Posts: 6,948	BIG Thanks to Kiyo and Baytubers for making sure we got fed today! That was alot of pizza! __________________

11-10-2009, 04:20 PM	#1
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,123	Comments from the little people, (us), are being presented now. Those who support our point of view outnumber the others 3/1. I doubt the BRTF is listening, however. I suspect that their minds are already made up. One guy raised the ADA card. This is important because many of the proposed closures eliminate access for the handicapped. If someone takes this issue to court, implementation could be delayed for years. Any attorneys interested in taking this one on? Bob

11-10-2009, 04:37 PM	#3
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,123	Good News!!! They are talking about not changing the shape of the existing LJ reserve. That means that we could catch bait at the pier and fish for anything north of the pier except for a very small area just north of the pier as requested by Scripps. The BRTF member who lines up against us most of the time will not change her motion to allow this but others in the group seem to be supportive. Stay tuned. Bob

11-10-2009, 04:47 PM	#4
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,123	It's done. We have option 2. South LJ and Swami's are closed. We get a larger N. LJ area but also a larger La Jolla reserve, including all the areas north of the pier. This was very interesting to watch. It was obvious to me that the BRTF just wanted to get a result. In their own words, "this is not perfect" No Shit! The DFG cannot and will not enforce these new regulations. ADA issues may tie this up in court for years. Watching this process has reinforced my opinion that our Government is broken. Special interests always win. I suspect that we have not heard the end of this one yet however. Bob

11-10-2009, 05:06 PM	#5
Willy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: La Jolla Posts: 189	Well said Bob. We appricate the updates. I caught the end of the live cast on video and like you agree, the government is broken. Their attitudes at the end really did reflect they just wanted to get some result; science, fairness, and every other bit of hyperbole they used be damned. I'm ashamed our system has fallen into the hands of special interests, but money talks and bullsh!t gets a promotion. Hopefully the DFG will tell these folks to shove it. Sorry for the candor, but this process has me fully flustered. Well done to those who could make it today, and to those who put so much forth for us all. Willy

11-10-2009, 05:19 PM	#8
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,123	The shape that was put forward in the latest option 2 was approved. We will be allowed to catch bait at the pier with a hook but the area north of the pier will now be a SMCA, (State Marine Conservation Area). This means that the take from this area will be limited. I am not sure what the limitations are but given the way this thing has gone, I suspect that is is fairly close to a no-take zone. It is hard to tell from the map. http://resources.ca.gov/mlpa_scrsg/B...ons_091030.pdf It looks like the SMCA north of the pier does not include all of Blacks. I am sure Paul can provide more details. Bob