Take a look at this crap - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Gino · 07-10-2009, 03:04 PM

HAHA wow that was a funny read.

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One woman drew gasps when she brought in two dead Garabaldi she claimed were illegally speared by a diver as “evidence” of fishing abuses in Laguna Beach. Fishermen in attendance surprised her with information that possession of those fish was illegal.

I woulda called Cal Tip right then and there! nevermind, there was a game wardens at the meeting, she sould have been written a ticket.

Ive seen soem pretty discusting things from grean peace in laguna beach, Ive also seen soem discusting stuff people do while they are in bed...Maybe we should ban that to, so what if they cant enforce it.

That city is almsot a million in debt! must have been those new short shorts, and hybrid cars there police department drives...

dgax65 · 07-10-2009, 03:47 PM

“I haven’t seen any of the science,” admitted Councilmember Elizabeth Pearson. “All we know is what opinions are. I don’t know if we’re overfished. I don’t know that we need replenishment. But I do know this: I’ve seen some disgusting things happening at Shaw’s Cove (a popular diving area) over the last 20 years. There’s been abuse after abuse ... so this is our last chance to do something.”

What Elizabeth Pearson didn't say.......
"Science!? We don't need no stinking science. Anecdotal evidence, emotion and blind faith in the goodness of our intentions is all that we need"

mrJB · 07-10-2009, 04:04 PM

The Laguna Beach City Council members' actions are sad and infuriating.

From the good showing by yakkers and other fishermen at the recent MLPA meeting in Laguna (not every fisherman looked or dressed like he/she just fell out of a bait tank, drove a 1-ton pickup, or couldn't carry an intelligent conversation), I can only surmise that some of the resident blue-hairs are now worried about the stronger than expected showing of fishermen and apparent future decline of their sacred city after the invasion of fish-eating outsiders. Yeah, the ones who actually catch and eat fish rather than buying it, maybe in secret, from the local upscale Gelsons or Trader Joe's market.

Bet your bippy that I'll be sending some letters this weekend pointing out that they can forget about my spending any dollars in their fair town in restaurants, small businesses, for beach passes, art festivals, or on anything else, and I will encourage friends to do the same.

It is my small but unimportant opinion that we should be considering the big picture - including and beyond the MPLA regulations - considerations like paid parking in La Jolla, re-development of the Dana Point harbor to favor large yachts (read wealthy, kayak launch fees, paid parking, etc.), outlawing fishing in Laguna, and so on and so on.

Is it time to get really organized, both politically and financially - I would think so. Fish on (?), maybe not too much longer.

taggermike · 07-11-2009, 09:41 AM

Thanks for sharing Jim. The most distressing thing about this to me is that They want to close "thier" coast to all fishing. The city of Laguna Beach has no authority to close thier waters because they are not thier waters. Those are our waters they are proposing to close. I haven't been there in years and this chaps me. Can Imperial Beach of Ocean Beach choose to close the state waters that happen to be in front of thier town to fishing? Hell no. Does thier wealth give them more rights to control access to state waters than the rest of us. Maybe. Mike

LakersFan · 07-11-2009, 04:43 PM

I could possibly abide by a decision to close the coast off of Laguna Beach (or anywhere in California for that matter) to fishing if all of the people who are for it agree to move their residences and businesses out of the city with the realization that their existence is causing a far greater impact on the health of the marine environment than recreational fishermen.

so cal shaggy · 07-11-2009, 07:21 PM

Jim yes, this was a very sickening meeting but do not let it get to you too much what the city does not understand is that they cannot close off state waters. The only area the city can close is the area 10' above the high tide mark and even then it would only affect anglers fishing from the beach you could still dive and launch a kayak from a closed area since if launching or landing your are "in transit" and not fishing. The action the city council (with the exception of the mayor) took was nothing more than something to make the anti fishing and spearfishing factions feel like they won a victory as a retaliation for their ext prop C.

dsafety · 07-11-2009, 07:25 PM

“I haven’t seen any of the science,” admitted Council member Elizabeth Pearson.

At least this lady admits it. So much of our public policy appears to be a knee-jerk reaction to noise made by the squeakiest wheel. Science or the best interest of the public does not seem to play much of a role in many Government decisions.

We need to become the squeakiest wheel.

Bob

Iceman · 07-13-2009, 08:07 AM

Why would anyone even want to fish this God forsaken, over crowded, over fished, barren, lifeless, wasteland, stretch of coastline

...........hope to waste my time there again manana.

Sherm · 07-13-2009, 01:10 PM

Those poor people on the coast having to look out their windows and see kayaks messing up the view. Just awfull.

07-10-2009, 03:47 PM	#2
dgax65 Guerro Grande Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 629	“I haven’t seen any of the science,” admitted Councilmember Elizabeth Pearson. “All we know is what opinions are. I don’t know if we’re overfished. I don’t know that we need replenishment. But I do know this: I’ve seen some disgusting things happening at Shaw’s Cove (a popular diving area) over the last 20 years. There’s been abuse after abuse ... so this is our last chance to do something.” What Elizabeth Pearson didn't say....... "Science!? We don't need no stinking science. Anecdotal evidence, emotion and blind faith in the goodness of our intentions is all that we need" __________________ Douglas Gaxiola Team No Fish- Amateur Staff

07-10-2009, 04:04 PM	#3
mrJB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: O.C. Posts: 352	OK, enough is enough! The Laguna Beach City Council members' actions are sad and infuriating. From the good showing by yakkers and other fishermen at the recent MLPA meeting in Laguna (not every fisherman looked or dressed like he/she just fell out of a bait tank, drove a 1-ton pickup, or couldn't carry an intelligent conversation), I can only surmise that some of the resident blue-hairs are now worried about the stronger than expected showing of fishermen and apparent future decline of their sacred city after the invasion of fish-eating outsiders. Yeah, the ones who actually catch and eat fish rather than buying it, maybe in secret, from the local upscale Gelsons or Trader Joe's market. Bet your bippy that I'll be sending some letters this weekend pointing out that they can forget about my spending any dollars in their fair town in restaurants, small businesses, for beach passes, art festivals, or on anything else, and I will encourage friends to do the same. It is my small but unimportant opinion that we should be considering the big picture - including and beyond the MPLA regulations - considerations like paid parking in La Jolla, re-development of the Dana Point harbor to favor large yachts (read wealthy, kayak launch fees, paid parking, etc.), outlawing fishing in Laguna, and so on and so on. Is it time to get really organized, both politically and financially - I would think so. Fish on (?), maybe not too much longer.

07-11-2009, 07:21 PM	#6
so cal shaggy Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Anaheim Posts: 85	Jim yes, this was a very sickening meeting but do not let it get to you too much what the city does not understand is that they cannot close off state waters. The only area the city can close is the area 10' above the high tide mark and even then it would only affect anglers fishing from the beach you could still dive and launch a kayak from a closed area since if launching or landing your are "in transit" and not fishing. The action the city council (with the exception of the mayor) took was nothing more than something to make the anti fishing and spearfishing factions feel like they won a victory as a retaliation for their ext prop C. __________________ Thanks, Jeff

07-13-2009, 08:07 AM	#8
Iceman Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 1-2 miles off the point Posts: 6,948	Why would anyone even want to fish this God forsaken, over crowded, over fished, barren, lifeless, wasteland, stretch of coastline...........hope to waste my time there again manana. __________________

07-11-2009, 09:41 AM	#4
taggermike Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chula Vista Posts: 1,589	Thanks for sharing Jim. The most distressing thing about this to me is that They want to close "thier" coast to all fishing. The city of Laguna Beach has no authority to close thier waters because they are not thier waters. Those are our waters they are proposing to close. I haven't been there in years and this chaps me. Can Imperial Beach of Ocean Beach choose to close the state waters that happen to be in front of thier town to fishing? Hell no. Does thier wealth give them more rights to control access to state waters than the rest of us. Maybe. Mike

07-11-2009, 04:43 PM	#5
LakersFan Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 92	I could possibly abide by a decision to close the coast off of Laguna Beach (or anywhere in California for that matter) to fishing if all of the people who are for it agree to move their residences and businesses out of the city with the realization that their existence is causing a far greater impact on the health of the marine environment than recreational fishermen.

07-11-2009, 07:25 PM	#7
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,123	“I haven’t seen any of the science,” admitted Council member Elizabeth Pearson. At least this lady admits it. So much of our public policy appears to be a knee-jerk reaction to noise made by the squeakiest wheel. Science or the best interest of the public does not seem to play much of a role in many Government decisions. We need to become the squeakiest wheel. Bob

07-13-2009, 01:10 PM	#9
Sherm Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 490	Those poor people on the coast having to look out their windows and see kayaks messing up the view. Just awfull.