got an email response from the Gov'na today... - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Billy V · 07-07-2009, 08:23 PM

You humans don't get it.

"The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug."

-The Terminator

comrad_zeelaagee · 07-07-2009, 09:30 PM

it's oozing with sincerity. my heart overfloweth with pride that someone has such rational ideas about interests such as our oceanic resources is in office.

am curious to know what that original email was, martin- if you don't mind sharing?

andy

Tman · 07-07-2009, 10:36 PM

Dang Andy, haven't heard from you in a while...

Right here...as you can see, you are right on with

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...etter+governor

Dear Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger,

I am writing you regarding the future of California in regards to the Marine Life Protection Act.

I am a California taxpayer and a single parent. With the economy the way it is, my son and I rely on access to our fishing grounds, not only for healthy enjoyment, but to sustain ourselves. We are environmentalists. We take only what we plan to use. Decisions made will have a disastrous effect on us and our livelihood.

How can you actually allow the MLPA process to move forward when the public knows it is clearly one-sided, filled with conflict of interest issues, inadequate data, and false information?

The MLPA brochure clearly states this;

"The MLPA requires the state to examine and redesign California's system of marine protected areas, with extensive public input."

That is clearly misleading, akin to false advertising. That, Governor, is not how this process is actually happening. It is filled with inadequate data and selective years for the studies, especially regarding optimum kelp habitat.

I have attended numerous meetings along with my 9-year old son so he can see first hand the workings of our government and how this process could potentially affect him. At these meetings, our public comment is limited to one minute. And this is considered extensive public input?

There is no data available on how this will affect everyone from recreational anglers, bait shops, tackle stores, boat dealers, seafood retailers, kayak and diving gear dealers, and the thousands of people employed in these businesses at a time when the state is broke and cutting benefits, closing state parks and beaches, and downsizing the DFG.

The process being pushed forward at breakneck speed, with amendments to proposals being submitted at the last minute with the science data not completely accurate and fully completed, the constant shifting and changing of rules, has caused a distrusting public to doubt the credibility of the whole MLPA process and those in charge.

Again, I have attended numerous MLPA meetings, and see first hand the misleading of the public to expediate the process. It is not a process with extensive public input; the public is controlled on their time for input, have no say in the voting process, are told to not say anything negative or question statements of the MLPA board members, we the public are not even allowed to address the board members for specific answers to our concerns.

I ask you, how can this be considered a fair process, with extensive public input, if we are not allowed to address our concerns, essentially having no say regarding how this will affect us?

I ask that this process be paused to allow for the science and socio-economic data to catch up so that informed decisions can be made that will benefit the state of California and its people.

Sincerely,

Martin Craig Harding
Encinitas, California
San Diego County
A concerned consumptive/environmentalist

comrad_zeelaagee · 07-07-2009, 11:45 PM

good on ya' martin!

i wish i had been in th loop earlier- i would have been happy to attend.

i've been underground from most things over the past year with a very significant yard renovation that consumed the entirety of my summer last year and has still lingered on. the good news is that the light is at the end of the tunnel. sod to go in ground within a week- and i will soon be parking my ass in the yak whenever possible until the baby is due in mid september... maybe even a little more as i'll be on leave from work for a while

and the mom & mother inlaw are lending a hand.

i'll read up some more on the issue and get involved. it's good to be back... with a new and updated screen name.

hope all is well with you and clay.

Zed · 07-08-2009, 09:31 AM

BTW it's Caulifoneeeans.
Like cauliflower.

Quote:

If you would like more information on the MLPA and the protected areas along California's coast, please visit the Department of Fish and Game's website at www.dfg.ca.gov/mrd/mlpa.

No $hit? Really? Just that paragraph is insulting, given what you wrote to him. It's obvious you knew what you were talking about. Sheesh.

CurtyL · 07-08-2009, 09:53 AM

One reason this Govenor is an utter failure is because he lets this kind of response out, unedited - probably never even saw it. Clearly he does not understand enough about the MLPA intiative and where it's at today to provide insghtful comment. You'd think his speech and letter writers would at least want to provide the taxpayers the smallest clue that he's up to date on these issues. I could have taken 30 seconds to read the mission statement of the MLPA and drafted the same horse-shit reply. In my job, if I let something out (from a huge RFP to a tiny e-mail) before giving it a full QC, I'd probably be fired. Yet, we allow these fools to run the 7th largest econmoy in the world.

T-Rex · 07-09-2009, 09:45 AM

Very lame response...but at least you got a response.

I've sent letters and emails to the governor, senators and assemblymen both in and outside my district. So far not a single reply from any of these political knuckleheads.

07-07-2009, 10:36 PM	#3
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Dang Andy, haven't heard from you in a while... Right here...as you can see, you are right on with http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...etter+governor Dear Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, I am writing you regarding the future of California in regards to the Marine Life Protection Act. I am a California taxpayer and a single parent. With the economy the way it is, my son and I rely on access to our fishing grounds, not only for healthy enjoyment, but to sustain ourselves. We are environmentalists. We take only what we plan to use. Decisions made will have a disastrous effect on us and our livelihood. How can you actually allow the MLPA process to move forward when the public knows it is clearly one-sided, filled with conflict of interest issues, inadequate data, and false information? The MLPA brochure clearly states this; "The MLPA requires the state to examine and redesign California's system of marine protected areas, with extensive public input." That is clearly misleading, akin to false advertising. That, Governor, is not how this process is actually happening. It is filled with inadequate data and selective years for the studies, especially regarding optimum kelp habitat. I have attended numerous meetings along with my 9-year old son so he can see first hand the workings of our government and how this process could potentially affect him. At these meetings, our public comment is limited to one minute. And this is considered extensive public input? There is no data available on how this will affect everyone from recreational anglers, bait shops, tackle stores, boat dealers, seafood retailers, kayak and diving gear dealers, and the thousands of people employed in these businesses at a time when the state is broke and cutting benefits, closing state parks and beaches, and downsizing the DFG. The process being pushed forward at breakneck speed, with amendments to proposals being submitted at the last minute with the science data not completely accurate and fully completed, the constant shifting and changing of rules, has caused a distrusting public to doubt the credibility of the whole MLPA process and those in charge. Again, I have attended numerous MLPA meetings, and see first hand the misleading of the public to expediate the process. It is not a process with extensive public input; the public is controlled on their time for input, have no say in the voting process, are told to not say anything negative or question statements of the MLPA board members, we the public are not even allowed to address the board members for specific answers to our concerns. I ask you, how can this be considered a fair process, with extensive public input, if we are not allowed to address our concerns, essentially having no say regarding how this will affect us? I ask that this process be paused to allow for the science and socio-economic data to catch up so that informed decisions can be made that will benefit the state of California and its people. Sincerely, Martin Craig Harding Encinitas, California San Diego County A concerned consumptive/environmentalist __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

07-07-2009, 08:23 PM	#1
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	You humans don't get it. "The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug." -The Terminator

07-07-2009, 09:30 PM	#2
comrad_zeelaagee Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 51	it's oozing with sincerity. my heart overfloweth with pride that someone has such rational ideas about interests such as our oceanic resources is in office. am curious to know what that original email was, martin- if you don't mind sharing? andy

07-07-2009, 11:45 PM	#4
comrad_zeelaagee Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 51	good on ya' martin! i wish i had been in th loop earlier- i would have been happy to attend. i've been underground from most things over the past year with a very significant yard renovation that consumed the entirety of my summer last year and has still lingered on. the good news is that the light is at the end of the tunnel. sod to go in ground within a week- and i will soon be parking my ass in the yak whenever possible until the baby is due in mid september... maybe even a little more as i'll be on leave from work for a while and the mom & mother inlaw are lending a hand. i'll read up some more on the issue and get involved. it's good to be back... with a new and updated screen name. hope all is well with you and clay.

07-08-2009, 09:53 AM	#6
CurtyL Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: wherever the college girlz r Posts: 127	One reason this Govenor is an utter failure is because he lets this kind of response out, unedited - probably never even saw it. Clearly he does not understand enough about the MLPA intiative and where it's at today to provide insghtful comment. You'd think his speech and letter writers would at least want to provide the taxpayers the smallest clue that he's up to date on these issues. I could have taken 30 seconds to read the mission statement of the MLPA and drafted the same horse-shit reply. In my job, if I let something out (from a huge RFP to a tiny e-mail) before giving it a full QC, I'd probably be fired. Yet, we allow these fools to run the 7th largest econmoy in the world.

07-09-2009, 09:45 AM	#7
T-Rex Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 770	Very lame response...but at least you got a response. I've sent letters and emails to the governor, senators and assemblymen both in and outside my district. So far not a single reply from any of these political knuckleheads.