POOR MLPA ATTENDANCE!!!!! - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Tman · 06-30-2009, 07:31 AM

Sparse it was...

Guys from LA showed up...Dan, wife and son showed up...others made the drive and showed up...closest meeting I've been to, 4 min along the coast after hitting Oxnard and LA with the regulars.

Go ahead guys, sit back, let the regulars do the work for you...
if we don't save LJ, don't blame us...or Paul.

This is in our own backyard, no excuse not to be there...

Here's a thought...

# of meetings children attended - 4

# of meetings you've attended - ?

tylerdurden · 06-30-2009, 07:39 AM

What Tman said.
We need fresh faces. They are probably sick of seeing some of us. I came to the realization a while ago that if we don't speak for our interests as kayakers, who will? We have some common interests with other groups, but they are fighting for their fishing lives too, they can't sacrifice their efforts where it doesn't overlap with ours.

dos ballenas · 06-30-2009, 07:48 AM

I showed up but had to leave early before things really got started. I filled out the comment form... but I didn't see that many people from La Jolla or San Diego, thats for sure.

Pretty pathetic... come on guys, think about what it will be like in five years when all you want to do is fish, but there is no where to go! What will you do then?

Get out there and show your face!

Btw, was it important to stay for the whole thing? And how long did it last? Did they seperate people into groups? Fishermen vs econerds?

tylerdurden · 06-30-2009, 07:54 AM

I don't think staying for the whole thing is critical. I do think it is important to talk to some of the reps and I team before you leave though. I plan on doing more of that tonight than last night. Most important is commenting on the record on that form.

Just my thoughts.

njovin · 06-30-2009, 08:28 AM

I showed up with Tom and even brought my wife along and made her fill out a form. I did talk to a few of the reps but was more asking them questions about the whole process. I'll be there tonight, as well.

Is it helpful to voice your opinions to the reps? I kind of tried to bait her into telling me her opinion so we could discuss it (not debate or argue - just discuss) but she wouldn't really say, just kept stating what different "stakeholders" wanted and what the science guidelines called for.

Too bad tonight's won't be near Pizza Port, though. Had good food and some

after the meeting last night.

Grego · 06-30-2009, 08:46 AM

I'll say it....pretty fook'n sad....a few of us drove down from LA to lend some support from the bench and we ended up having to play on the starting team

Tman · 06-30-2009, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grego

I'll say it....pretty fook'n sad....a few of us drove down from LA to lend some support from the bench and we ended up having to play on the starting team

...true dat...

Law Hand · 06-30-2009, 10:38 AM

See you all there

Billy V · 06-30-2009, 11:01 AM

I think everyone should have gotten The Point by now.
Get your ass to the meeting tonight, and don't offer any excuses.

Now pay attention kids.....

The Forms are slightly different from the Forms that were presented in the N. Coast. They have a Front, and Back side.

-There is also a suggestive question just above each comment portion asking YOU to Name and indicate to which proposal you are referring, such as Lapis 1)
-If you don't like a Proposal like LAPIS 1 (The Most Restrictive Map with No Cross Interest), let them Know about it.

-If you Like Map A, the Friendly Map that Meets the MLPA Guidelines, Please say so.
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Next suggestion. Take that Stanley Stapler that is sitting on your desk to the Meeting.
--I personally used (3) pages front and back to comprehensively convey my comments, and had to creatively connect all the papers myself.
-The I-Team was not so helpful in this area. As if I could only say enough to fit on that small piece of paper.

Don't be a sheep and fall into their trap. Don't leave out the Important Speaking Points because YOU thought you could only use (1) piece of paper to write your comments.

Example.
On the 1 st. piece of paper, give them what they are asking for, Comments on MPA Draft Proposals.
I suggest speaking out against Any Map that does Not serve Cross Interest and will eliminate 100% of your recreational activity.

I also suggest using additional paper to convey your general comments regarding Tradition, Sioeconomic Impact, Recreational Impact,
Safty Issues like expose to Dangerous swell activity, and afternoon Wind.

Please state any Specific Reasons why You Must use a specific area like La Jolla.
Is it the only safe launch site in the area where you can access the water ?? , or are You Joe-Joe the Indian Circus Boy that can launch from Torrey Pines Glider Port.
ie.
Do you have any disabilities that would prevent you from climbing down a rocky/ sandy cliff with a Kayak, or Spear ?

Does your son/ or daughter prefer the relative safe inshore waters of La Jolla, or would you prefer to have you face rubbed into the reef at another location ?
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See you later.

zinkysd · 06-30-2009, 07:43 AM

I was there last night and plan on showing up tonight, even brought my 8 month old boy. I talked to Paul and he said that about 20 or so kayakers had showed up last night and that was at 8:00. We need to show up in mass tonight guys. Because every enviro in San Diego is going to be there and if they out number us then it under cuts our position and they can say that no one cares if La Jolla is closed or they would have shown up.

Ken

06-30-2009, 07:31 AM	#1
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Sparse it was... Guys from LA showed up...Dan, wife and son showed up...others made the drive and showed up...closest meeting I've been to, 4 min along the coast after hitting Oxnard and LA with the regulars. Go ahead guys, sit back, let the regulars do the work for you... if we don't save LJ, don't blame us...or Paul. This is in our own backyard, no excuse not to be there... Here's a thought... # of meetings children attended - 4 # of meetings you've attended - ? __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

06-30-2009, 07:39 AM	#2
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	What Tman said. We need fresh faces. They are probably sick of seeing some of us. I came to the realization a while ago that if we don't speak for our interests as kayakers, who will? We have some common interests with other groups, but they are fighting for their fishing lives too, they can't sacrifice their efforts where it doesn't overlap with ours. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

06-30-2009, 07:48 AM	#3
dos ballenas Vampyroteuthis infernalis Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 585	I showed up but had to leave early before things really got started. I filled out the comment form... but I didn't see that many people from La Jolla or San Diego, thats for sure. Pretty pathetic... come on guys, think about what it will be like in five years when all you want to do is fish, but there is no where to go! What will you do then? Get out there and show your face! Btw, was it important to stay for the whole thing? And how long did it last? Did they seperate people into groups? Fishermen vs econerds? __________________ ____________________________________________

06-30-2009, 07:54 AM	#4
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	I don't think staying for the whole thing is critical. I do think it is important to talk to some of the reps and I team before you leave though. I plan on doing more of that tonight than last night. Most important is commenting on the record on that form. Just my thoughts. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

06-30-2009, 11:01 AM	#9
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	I think everyone should have gotten The Point by now. Get your ass to the meeting tonight, and don't offer any excuses. Now pay attention kids..... The Forms are slightly different from the Forms that were presented in the N. Coast. They have a Front, and Back side. -There is also a suggestive question just above each comment portion asking YOU to Name and indicate to which proposal you are referring, such as Lapis 1) -If you don't like a Proposal like LAPIS 1 (The Most Restrictive Map with No Cross Interest), let them Know about it. -If you Like Map A, the Friendly Map that Meets the MLPA Guidelines, Please say so. ------------------------------- Next suggestion. Take that Stanley Stapler that is sitting on your desk to the Meeting. --I personally used (3) pages front and back to comprehensively convey my comments, and had to creatively connect all the papers myself. -The I-Team was not so helpful in this area. As if I could only say enough to fit on that small piece of paper. Don't be a sheep and fall into their trap. Don't leave out the Important Speaking Points because YOU thought you could only use (1) piece of paper to write your comments. Example. On the 1 st. piece of paper, give them what they are asking for, Comments on MPA Draft Proposals. I suggest speaking out against Any Map that does Not serve Cross Interest and will eliminate 100% of your recreational activity. I also suggest using additional paper to convey your general comments regarding Tradition, Sioeconomic Impact, Recreational Impact, Safty Issues like expose to Dangerous swell activity, and afternoon Wind. Please state any Specific Reasons why You Must use a specific area like La Jolla. Is it the only safe launch site in the area where you can access the water ?? , or are You Joe-Joe the Indian Circus Boy that can launch from Torrey Pines Glider Port. ie. Do you have any disabilities that would prevent you from climbing down a rocky/ sandy cliff with a Kayak, or Spear ? Does your son/ or daughter prefer the relative safe inshore waters of La Jolla, or would you prefer to have you face rubbed into the reef at another location ? --------------------------- See you later. Last edited by Billy V; 06-30-2009 at 11:14 AM.

06-30-2009, 08:28 AM	#5
njovin Junior Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 11	I showed up with Tom and even brought my wife along and made her fill out a form. I did talk to a few of the reps but was more asking them questions about the whole process. I'll be there tonight, as well. Is it helpful to voice your opinions to the reps? I kind of tried to bait her into telling me her opinion so we could discuss it (not debate or argue - just discuss) but she wouldn't really say, just kept stating what different "stakeholders" wanted and what the science guidelines called for. Too bad tonight's won't be near Pizza Port, though. Had good food and some after the meeting last night.

06-30-2009, 08:46 AM	#6
Grego Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 446	I'll say it....pretty fook'n sad....a few of us drove down from LA to lend some support from the bench and we ended up having to play on the starting team

06-30-2009, 10:38 AM	#8
Law Hand Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 33	See you all there

06-30-2009, 07:43 AM	#10
zinkysd Hobie Fishing Team Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 145	I was there last night and plan on showing up tonight, even brought my 8 month old boy. I talked to Paul and he said that about 20 or so kayakers had showed up last night and that was at 8:00. We need to show up in mass tonight guys. Because every enviro in San Diego is going to be there and if they out number us then it under cuts our position and they can say that no one cares if La Jolla is closed or they would have shown up. Ken