More Rod Questions - Live Bait Set Ups - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

SoCalEDC · 12-03-2020, 09:05 PM

Thanks @45 user and @Fullflavorpike.

Noted. I will keep an eye out for either. I have a gift card to bass pro and unfortunately they don't sell daiwa rods (I know wierd), but I will look around and if I gotta pay out of pocket it is what it is. On second thought I had a 670, it a was a good halibut rod. I got it from Mike here on the forum but it was cut down to 7' and it was a jig stick. Not sure where the length was taken from but I felt like it needed to be wrapped higher up. Maybe that's why I didn't like it.

Also, @full flavor pike I plan to fish 65 on this set up because it's going to be an everything kind of rig. I will also fish it on boats, not just my kayak, so I think a 15-40, 20-40, 20-50 would be great. Maybe even favoring the heavier side for the yoyo.

SoCalEDC · 12-04-2020, 03:36 PM

I looked pretty hard at the Mojo Salt Conventional Rod, but ultimately decided to go with an Okuma PCH Custom 7' 30-60 because it was more available and has a lifetime warranty, ALPS seat and guides. They were on sale for 150 bucks at Peformance Tackle, so a buddy of mine snagged me one while he was there. By all accounts they are a good rod in the price range I was looking for. Might be a little stiff for live bait but I have some other rods that will fit into that role for now.

SoCalEDC · 12-09-2020, 05:30 AM

So now I guess I am looking to upgrade my live bait slow trolling rod. Thinking something in the 12-25, 15-30 range. I have a Seigler SGN that needs a rod, that might be a candidate for live bait fishing

FullFlavorPike · 12-09-2020, 12:56 PM

Another plug for the Daiwa VIP. I use a 270 to fish 20# with an Okuma Metaloid 5N; and it's one hell of a rod at the price point.

SoCalEDC · 12-09-2020, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FullFlavorPike

Another plug for the Daiwa VIP. I use a 270 to fish 20# with an Okuma Metaloid 5N; and it's one hell of a rod at the price point.

Sweet, thanks. Any idea where they can be found?

FullFlavorPike · 12-09-2020, 05:12 PM

Bought mine at Squidco. Readily available online as well.

grey zone · 12-09-2020, 06:17 PM

X2 for Calstar 670 WC which comes in black. This is a 7' rod rated 20-50.

tomahawk · 12-09-2020, 06:43 PM

In general the Old Sabre number scheme has been adopted by many makers for glass rods (I think they were the first ones with the scheme). The general scheme is the last two digits indicate the length. 270, 670, 870 are all 7 foot. 865 and 665 are 6.5 feet. Then the base rods were available in alternate weights, L,H,XH,XXH,XXXH and so on. Finally, a few rods were also available in alternate lengths, like you could get a 270H8(my favorite 20 to 25lb rod, a Heavy 270 8 foot long). The 670 was also available in a 8 foot version (670-8). I am reasonably sure the longer versions just had an extra foot on butt section. I also love the 196-8 for a 15lb live bait rod. In general, I think of the rods like this 196(15lb), 270(20), 870(25), 670(30). The L takes off about 5 LB and the H adds about 5 or 10. I am old and my back hurts, so if I need to fish 40 I use a 665H for bait. For tossing jigs, I'd probably go to one of the 9 foot rods (the number is escaping me, 690 maybe). I never really had a jig rod beyond my 270H8 and 670.

12-03-2020, 09:05 PM	#1
SoCalEDC Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Rancho Cucamonga Posts: 609	Thanks @45 user and @Fullflavorpike. Noted. I will keep an eye out for either. I have a gift card to bass pro and unfortunately they don't sell daiwa rods (I know wierd), but I will look around and if I gotta pay out of pocket it is what it is. On second thought I had a 670, it a was a good halibut rod. I got it from Mike here on the forum but it was cut down to 7' and it was a jig stick. Not sure where the length was taken from but I felt like it needed to be wrapped higher up. Maybe that's why I didn't like it. Also, @full flavor pike I plan to fish 65 on this set up because it's going to be an everything kind of rig. I will also fish it on boats, not just my kayak, so I think a 15-40, 20-40, 20-50 would be great. Maybe even favoring the heavier side for the yoyo. __________________ IG: @blackflag_fishing Youtube: Blackflag Fishing 2014 Ocean Kayak T13 SOLD 2020 Hobie Outback SOLD 2021 Stealth Fisha 500 #StealthTribe Last edited by SoCalEDC; 12-03-2020 at 09:21 PM.

12-04-2020, 03:36 PM	#2
SoCalEDC Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Rancho Cucamonga Posts: 609	Purchase Made I looked pretty hard at the Mojo Salt Conventional Rod, but ultimately decided to go with an Okuma PCH Custom 7' 30-60 because it was more available and has a lifetime warranty, ALPS seat and guides. They were on sale for 150 bucks at Peformance Tackle, so a buddy of mine snagged me one while he was there. By all accounts they are a good rod in the price range I was looking for. Might be a little stiff for live bait but I have some other rods that will fit into that role for now. __________________ IG: @blackflag_fishing Youtube: Blackflag Fishing 2014 Ocean Kayak T13 SOLD 2020 Hobie Outback SOLD 2021 Stealth Fisha 500 #StealthTribe

12-09-2020, 05:30 AM	#3
SoCalEDC Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Rancho Cucamonga Posts: 609	So now I guess I am looking to upgrade my live bait slow trolling rod. Thinking something in the 12-25, 15-30 range. I have a Seigler SGN that needs a rod, that might be a candidate for live bait fishing __________________ IG: @blackflag_fishing Youtube: Blackflag Fishing 2014 Ocean Kayak T13 SOLD 2020 Hobie Outback SOLD 2021 Stealth Fisha 500 #StealthTribe

12-09-2020, 12:56 PM	#4
FullFlavorPike Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 811	Another plug for the Daiwa VIP. I use a 270 to fish 20# with an Okuma Metaloid 5N; and it's one hell of a rod at the price point.

12-09-2020, 05:12 PM	#6
FullFlavorPike Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 811	Bought mine at Squidco. Readily available online as well.

12-09-2020, 06:17 PM	#7
grey zone Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: san diego Posts: 158	X2 for Calstar 670 WC which comes in black. This is a 7' rod rated 20-50.

12-09-2020, 06:43 PM	#8
tomahawk Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 109	In general the Old Sabre number scheme has been adopted by many makers for glass rods (I think they were the first ones with the scheme). The general scheme is the last two digits indicate the length. 270, 670, 870 are all 7 foot. 865 and 665 are 6.5 feet. Then the base rods were available in alternate weights, L,H,XH,XXH,XXXH and so on. Finally, a few rods were also available in alternate lengths, like you could get a 270H8(my favorite 20 to 25lb rod, a Heavy 270 8 foot long). The 670 was also available in a 8 foot version (670-8). I am reasonably sure the longer versions just had an extra foot on butt section. I also love the 196-8 for a 15lb live bait rod. In general, I think of the rods like this 196(15lb), 270(20), 870(25), 670(30). The L takes off about 5 LB and the H adds about 5 or 10. I am old and my back hurts, so if I need to fish 40 I use a 665H for bait. For tossing jigs, I'd probably go to one of the 9 foot rods (the number is escaping me, 690 maybe). I never really had a jig rod beyond my 270H8 and 670.