Allbright knot or Spro swivel - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

BillzBaitz · 09-08-2014, 08:23 PM

Alberto and 6'-8' of 20# or 25# flouro..

I have been on a couple of these trips this year and that has been the go to if you are fishing braid. If you are fishing mono they dont seem to mind the straight 20# mono.. Most of the bait is chovy so we have been using a size 4 hook sometimes even a size 6. Guys are going to tel you thats too small... or oh you can use a size 1 or 1/0 and you know what you can... But you wont get bit as much as the guy using the smaller hooks.. Just keep in mind that you cant horse them in when you use a smaller hook.. I went 9 for 11, capt went 12 for 13, and a buddy went 10 for 10.. all using the small hooks. people asked us what we were using and the gib difference was the smaller hook..

If you happen to get on a boat that has sardines then I would bump it up to a size 1 or 1/0..

Dont forget rubber core sinkers.. And dont be affraid to fish the mega bait on the slide or if the fish are being marked 100-150' down.. I actually marked off 100 and 150 feet with a sparpie on my braid(white power pro #65) this way I could judge where my jig was in the water column.

Montesdad · 09-09-2014, 01:41 PM

I've been running my spectra (50# - 65#'s depending on the rig), a boat length of 30 and 40 pound Izor XXX topshot, then fluorocarbon leader - keep 17, 20 and 30 pound with me and usually run 20-pound for the local tuna to 30 or so pounds.

An albright is easy to tie for the spectra to mono and usually you'll just need to tie it before heading on out. It's the double uni for the fluoro to mono that you should practice. Been using just a rods length of fluoro leader over the topshot.

Been out 7 times on the boats this season and this setup seems to work well. One always gets in some sort of tangle and may on occasion get cut off 'cause someone else is on a fish. This way, you can end up with a little less topshot and retie your fluoro leader between stops. On a wide open bite, a fluoro carbon leader is not necessary but when the fish are line shy, it is. Been belly/tail hooking using a number 2 owner flyline hook for sardines and a number 4 for any anchovies. This way the bait runs from the boat and not nosed towards the boat.

With a slightly shorter leader, when the lines gets crossed due to bait running around, you can let your fish run out and your braid will eliminate any other tight mono lines between you and your fish - 'pop' !!!. You won't make any friends but you'll probably not see any of them after the trip anyway.

MarkT · 09-11-2014, 06:11 AM

Another vote for a knot and a short leader. I use a uni-uni, improved albright or tony pena/bob sands knot to join a 3' leader to the spectra. The knot never goes through the guides.

DanaPT · 09-19-2014, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Montesdad

I've been running my spectra (50# - 65#'s depending on the rig), a boat length of 30 and 40 pound Izor XXX topshot, then fluorocarbon leader - keep 17, 20 and 30 pound with me and usually run 20-pound for the local tuna to 30 or so pounds.

An albright is easy to tie for the spectra to mono and usually you'll just need to tie it before heading on out. It's the double uni for the fluoro to mono that you should practice. Been using just a rods length of fluoro leader over the topshot.

Been out 7 times on the boats this season and this setup seems to work well. One always gets in some sort of tangle and may on occasion get cut off 'cause someone else is on a fish. This way, you can end up with a little less topshot and retie your fluoro leader between stops. On a wide open bite, a fluoro carbon leader is not necessary but when the fish are line shy, it is. Been belly/tail hooking using a number 2 owner flyline hook for sardines and a number 4 for any anchovies. This way the bait runs from the boat and not nosed towards the boat.

With a slightly shorter leader, when the lines gets crossed due to bait running around, you can let your fish run out and your braid will eliminate any other tight mono lines between you and your fish - 'pop' !!!. You won't make any friends but you'll probably not see any of them after the trip anyway.

that's good insight, now I need a boat.

09-09-2014, 01:41 PM	#2
Montesdad Grey Haired Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: So. Orange County Posts: 53	I've been running my spectra (50# - 65#'s depending on the rig), a boat length of 30 and 40 pound Izor XXX topshot, then fluorocarbon leader - keep 17, 20 and 30 pound with me and usually run 20-pound for the local tuna to 30 or so pounds. An albright is easy to tie for the spectra to mono and usually you'll just need to tie it before heading on out. It's the double uni for the fluoro to mono that you should practice. Been using just a rods length of fluoro leader over the topshot. Been out 7 times on the boats this season and this setup seems to work well. One always gets in some sort of tangle and may on occasion get cut off 'cause someone else is on a fish. This way, you can end up with a little less topshot and retie your fluoro leader between stops. On a wide open bite, a fluoro carbon leader is not necessary but when the fish are line shy, it is. Been belly/tail hooking using a number 2 owner flyline hook for sardines and a number 4 for any anchovies. This way the bait runs from the boat and not nosed towards the boat. With a slightly shorter leader, when the lines gets crossed due to bait running around, you can let your fish run out and your braid will eliminate any other tight mono lines between you and your fish - 'pop' !!!. You won't make any friends but you'll probably not see any of them after the trip anyway. __________________ - - - "I'm fishing as hard as I can" - - -

09-08-2014, 08:23 PM	#1
BillzBaitz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Redlands Posts: 118	Alberto and 6'-8' of 20# or 25# flouro.. I have been on a couple of these trips this year and that has been the go to if you are fishing braid. If you are fishing mono they dont seem to mind the straight 20# mono.. Most of the bait is chovy so we have been using a size 4 hook sometimes even a size 6. Guys are going to tel you thats too small... or oh you can use a size 1 or 1/0 and you know what you can... But you wont get bit as much as the guy using the smaller hooks.. Just keep in mind that you cant horse them in when you use a smaller hook.. I went 9 for 11, capt went 12 for 13, and a buddy went 10 for 10.. all using the small hooks. people asked us what we were using and the gib difference was the smaller hook.. If you happen to get on a boat that has sardines then I would bump it up to a size 1 or 1/0.. Dont forget rubber core sinkers.. And dont be affraid to fish the mega bait on the slide or if the fish are being marked 100-150' down.. I actually marked off 100 and 150 feet with a sparpie on my braid(white power pro #65) this way I could judge where my jig was in the water column.

09-11-2014, 06:11 AM	#3
MarkT Deep Release Specialist Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Mission Viejo Posts: 94	Another vote for a knot and a short leader. I use a uni-uni, improved albright or tony pena/bob sands knot to join a 3' leader to the spectra. The knot never goes through the guides.