LEGAL QUESTION FOR TRUCK EXTENDER PEOPLE - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Hunters Pa · 08-20-2014, 10:11 AM

Maybe ask this guy

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/h...ffic-toll.html

He seems to help get answers that askers have trouble getting addressed

Deamon · 08-20-2014, 11:48 AM

Maybe leave it be. Why stir up new revenue sources for them? We're already doing it and I don't hear anyone complaining about tickets. I've had a few pass me this year without even a glance.

bus kid · 08-20-2014, 12:27 PM

It depends on the LEO.
either the end of your tail gate when its down or tail lights.

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bwana · 08-20-2014, 01:20 PM

I have a full sized pick up, with a steel box taking up a portion of the bed.

I have used a hitch extender for almost a decade to haul around my 14' kayak.

According to the CHP officer that pulled me over, I am not CA legal as the kayak is extending too far beyond the rear of the truck.

He pulled me over for speeding, not due to the kayak.

After requesting my license, registration and insurance he asked how I came about my flag.

I told him my daughter looked at me a little funny one day when I asked her if she had any old red laced bras I could have.

After that he let me go with a verbal warning to slow down. I have used one style or another of my "red flag" ever since.

wiredantz · 08-20-2014, 01:23 PM

That is HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!

tacmik · 08-20-2014, 02:32 PM

The answer is NO. When I first got my T-13, I went to the CHP office in El Cajon. The officer seemed to have all the answers immediately with no pauses to have to think. He said that if you take the length of your vehicle excluding the bumpers, divide by two. That is how far out you can extend with or without a hitch extender. The extender is merely for support. i.e. if your vehicle is 16 ft front to back, excluding bumpers. Your kayak can extend 8 feet from back of truck. If your tailgate is down, that doesn't count toward how far you can extend.

wiredantz · 08-20-2014, 04:02 PM

I wish CVC could provide a legal definition of " the last point of support", because it seems to leave the interpretation of this part of the law to CHP. (well many of the laws) This is probably the reason why, very few if any have gotten a ticket for this.

the Webster dictionary defines "Support" it as: v. t. 1. To bear by being under; to keep from falling; to uphold; to sustain, in a literal or physical sense; to prop up; to bear the weight of; as, a pillar supports a structure; an abutment supports an arch; the trunk of a tree supports the branches.

I would like to see how a court judge would rule on this matter, since you can argue that a truckbed extender is the last point of support for the kayak.

just a thought if anyone receives a citation for this.

But if you do get pulled over, I would not argue over it. Just go to court and see what happens.

wiredantz · 08-21-2014, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tacmik

The answer is NO. When I first got my T-13, I went to the CHP office in El Cajon. The officer seemed to have all the answers immediately with no pauses to have to think. He said that if you take the length of your vehicle excluding the bumpers, divide by two. That is how far out you can extend with or without a hitch extender. The extender is merely for support. i.e. if your vehicle is 16 ft front to back, excluding bumpers. Your kayak can extend 8 feet from back of truck. If your tailgate is down, that doesn't count toward how far you can extend.

The officer probably didn't know about this CVC CODE...

LOAD-CARRYING EXTENSIONS

35402. (a) Any extension or device used to increase the carrying capacity of a vehicle shall be included in measuring the length of a vehicle. ...

08-20-2014, 12:27 PM	#3
bus kid Team Keine Zugehörigkeit Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Way out there Posts: 2,854	search is you friend young Frankwalker It depends on the LEO. either the end of your tail gate when its down or tail lights. http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...light=extender http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...light=extender http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...light=extender http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/s...light=extender __________________ Não alimente os trolls------------Don't feed the trolls---------------インタネット荒らしを無視しろ

08-20-2014, 01:20 PM	#4
bwana Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: El Toro, CA Posts: 244	Simple solution... I have a full sized pick up, with a steel box taking up a portion of the bed. I have used a hitch extender for almost a decade to haul around my 14' kayak. According to the CHP officer that pulled me over, I am not CA legal as the kayak is extending too far beyond the rear of the truck. He pulled me over for speeding, not due to the kayak. After requesting my license, registration and insurance he asked how I came about my flag. I told him my daughter looked at me a little funny one day when I asked her if she had any old red laced bras I could have. After that he let me go with a verbal warning to slow down. I have used one style or another of my "red flag" ever since.

08-20-2014, 01:23 PM	#5
wiredantz Currently @ MLO Territory Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Under the Shadow Posts: 2,290	That is HILARIOUS!!!!!!!! __________________ Team: Disbanded You only have one chance in this life...make the right decision(s)...so you don't regret it

08-20-2014, 02:32 PM	#6
tacmik Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: East County Posts: 914	The answer is NO. When I first got my T-13, I went to the CHP office in El Cajon. The officer seemed to have all the answers immediately with no pauses to have to think. He said that if you take the length of your vehicle excluding the bumpers, divide by two. That is how far out you can extend with or without a hitch extender. The extender is merely for support. i.e. if your vehicle is 16 ft front to back, excluding bumpers. Your kayak can extend 8 feet from back of truck. If your tailgate is down, that doesn't count toward how far you can extend. __________________

08-20-2014, 04:02 PM	#7
wiredantz Currently @ MLO Territory Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Under the Shadow Posts: 2,290	I wish CVC could provide a legal definition of " the last point of support", because it seems to leave the interpretation of this part of the law to CHP. (well many of the laws) This is probably the reason why, very few if any have gotten a ticket for this. the Webster dictionary defines "Support" it as: v. t. 1. To bear by being under; to keep from falling; to uphold; to sustain, in a literal or physical sense; to prop up; to bear the weight of; as, a pillar supports a structure; an abutment supports an arch; the trunk of a tree supports the branches. I would like to see how a court judge would rule on this matter, since you can argue that a truckbed extender is the last point of support for the kayak. just a thought if anyone receives a citation for this. But if you do get pulled over, I would not argue over it. Just go to court and see what happens. __________________ Team: Disbanded You only have one chance in this life...make the right decision(s)...so you don't regret it

08-20-2014, 10:11 AM	#1
Hunters Pa Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fullerton Posts: 1,361	Maybe ask this guy http://www.ocregister.com/articles/h...ffic-toll.html He seems to help get answers that askers have trouble getting addressed

08-20-2014, 11:48 AM	#2
Deamon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,972	Maybe leave it be. Why stir up new revenue sources for them? We're already doing it and I don't hear anyone complaining about tickets. I've had a few pass me this year without even a glance.