LJ 12-10 Late Post - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

roosta · 12-14-2008, 07:35 PM

Launched around 5:15am to ankle high surf. Made a few greenbacks on the bottom by tipping the sabiki with squid. I tipped my blue and chrome tady 4/0 (glow back) with a whole squid and ended up hooking about a 10 inch mackerel on it. I sent it back down 120 feet and gave it 2 cranks up after hitting the bottom. 15 minutes later it got slammed and I was on. Unfortunately I pulled the hook 10 minutes into the fight. This is the third fish I have hooked on a deep iron with a treble hook that I have lost. From now on I am all for single hooks...
Heart broken, I kept on fishing. I caught about an 8 inch sardine on the sabiki and sent him down on an 8oz. butterfly jig (with two single hooks on it). I watched the tip of my rod as the bait nervously twitched and was suddenly thumped hard. Another thump followed and then the line started peeling. After a couple of seconds the line stopped and the fish was gone. I instantly grabbed the rod and started jigging it. Seconds later I was on again! After a 20 min. fight I brought this 30.4 lb beauty up. He puked up about 15 squid...

Geoffkoop · 12-14-2008, 07:50 PM

Nice report and even nicer fish!

steveooo · 12-15-2008, 06:19 AM

Nice winter time toad!

Also nice to hear that he puked up some squid. With no real winter weather to speak of (except today) I was wondering if there was going to be any wintertime bite. I have also lost many fish on the yo yo iron. I was wondering if it was because of the treble???

Dan · 12-15-2008, 07:50 AM

nice. that was a fishy morning (especially for you). Well done.

Geoffkoop · 12-15-2008, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by steveooo

Nice winter time toad!

Also nice to hear that he puked up some squid. With no real winter weather to speak of (except today) I was wondering if there was going to be any wintertime bite. I have also lost many fish on the yo yo iron. I was wondering if it was because of the treble???

Why does the treble hook pop off compared to a single?

j mo · 12-15-2008, 08:55 AM

Nice work.....

ezcompany · 12-15-2008, 10:39 AM

MKNOTT · 12-15-2008, 11:03 AM

I think they chew the trebble out. With a single there isnt as much hook for them to work out if your keeping good solid preasure on the fish.

MKNOTT

Geoffkoop · 12-15-2008, 12:04 PM

I see

jimbo · 12-15-2008, 12:21 PM

imo...
pros of treble: more likely to hook up
pros of siwash: easier to release unwanted fish, less likely to come unbuttoned, easier to squid tip (and keep action of jig), allowed for igfa records (not that I have any or realistically hope for any, but still)

i use both depending

ezcompany · 12-15-2008, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MKNOTT

I think they chew the trebble out. With a single there isnt as much hook for them to work out if your keeping good solid preasure on the fish.

MKNOTT

thats interesting!

THE DARKHORSE · 12-15-2008, 02:16 PM

I wish I didn't see your fish that morning, because I wasted the next few days in pursuit on the typical winter grounds...much earlier in the morning than I would have liked

. Before everyone gets excited, not one other Yellowtail was caught from the "fleet" on the grounds the days following this event, not one

. Plenty of those elusive Thresher Sharks, though

. I will have to admit, the false alarm was pretty damn exciting, and I now have fresh top-shots on my reels

.

To expound a little on MKNOTT's comment, the issue comes down to leverage. With a treble, especially during an extended battle with a thumping heavy fish on the end, the original hook point that sinks into the fish might get ripped out by the alternating leverage from the other two points, like pressing your pliers against one of the other shanks. Especially, when you have a fish that changes direction a few times, and is a master of those damn jig-throwing head-shakes.

As far as the treble/single-hook debate...I've been torn for years. The facts are: You will hook more fish with the treble, but more fish will stay on with the single

.

1Flatfish · 12-15-2008, 03:30 PM

Great fish Morgan!
I ended up fishing San Diego Bay last Sunday for a few spotties and not much else. Got blown around real good! I wish I could fish the week days.
Wayne

Quilted Germ · 12-15-2008, 05:14 PM

Nice fish. Thanks for the report.

esdees · 12-15-2008, 07:21 PM

Sweet fish. Cool looking dog, too.

lamb · 12-15-2008, 08:04 PM

DOPE!!!

Nice fish, very nice!

treble will also increase your chance of fault hooking.

Tell me you didn't bring one in on yo-yo that's cheek hooked or snagged somewhere outside the mouth.

_____

12-15-2008, 08:47 PM

hey great job

WHERE WERE YOU FISHING IN LA JOLLA????????????????

GREAT JOB NICE FISH

roosta · 12-15-2008, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esdees

Sweet fish. Cool looking dog, too.

Thanks Esdees,
It was the first decent fish he's seen since I brought him home from Mexico in August... Way overdue...

Matt · 12-16-2008, 04:53 AM

Nice job, I chased a school on top the day before and wound up frustrated, way to kill it!!

THEDanHernandez · 12-16-2008, 11:35 AM

nice! i need t get back down there

12-14-2008, 07:35 PM	#1
roosta Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 68	LJ 12-10 Late Post Launched around 5:15am to ankle high surf. Made a few greenbacks on the bottom by tipping the sabiki with squid. I tipped my blue and chrome tady 4/0 (glow back) with a whole squid and ended up hooking about a 10 inch mackerel on it. I sent it back down 120 feet and gave it 2 cranks up after hitting the bottom. 15 minutes later it got slammed and I was on. Unfortunately I pulled the hook 10 minutes into the fight. This is the third fish I have hooked on a deep iron with a treble hook that I have lost. From now on I am all for single hooks... Heart broken, I kept on fishing. I caught about an 8 inch sardine on the sabiki and sent him down on an 8oz. butterfly jig (with two single hooks on it). I watched the tip of my rod as the bait nervously twitched and was suddenly thumped hard. Another thump followed and then the line started peeling. After a couple of seconds the line stopped and the fish was gone. I instantly grabbed the rod and started jigging it. Seconds later I was on again! After a 20 min. fight I brought this 30.4 lb beauty up. He puked up about 15 squid...

12-15-2008, 11:03 AM	#8
MKNOTT Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Persian Gulf Posts: 263	I think they chew the trebble out. With a single there isnt as much hook for them to work out if your keeping good solid preasure on the fish. MKNOTT __________________ When I grow up I want to be, One of the harvesters of the sea, <O I think before my days are done, I want to be a fisherman.

12-15-2008, 12:21 PM	#10
jimbo Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: san diego Posts: 97	treble vs siwash hook on jig imo... pros of treble: more likely to hook up pros of siwash: easier to release unwanted fish, less likely to come unbuttoned, easier to squid tip (and keep action of jig), allowed for igfa records (not that I have any or realistically hope for any, but still) i use both depending __________________ that's why they call it fishing

12-15-2008, 02:16 PM	#12
THE DARKHORSE Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Seven minutes from the launch! Posts: 987	Damn Morgan... I wish I didn't see your fish that morning, because I wasted the next few days in pursuit on the typical winter grounds...much earlier in the morning than I would have liked . Before everyone gets excited, not one other Yellowtail was caught from the "fleet" on the grounds the days following this event, not one . Plenty of those elusive Thresher Sharks, though . I will have to admit, the false alarm was pretty damn exciting, and I now have fresh top-shots on my reels . To expound a little on MKNOTT's comment, the issue comes down to leverage. With a treble, especially during an extended battle with a thumping heavy fish on the end, the original hook point that sinks into the fish might get ripped out by the alternating leverage from the other two points, like pressing your pliers against one of the other shanks. Especially, when you have a fish that changes direction a few times, and is a master of those damn jig-throwing head-shakes. As far as the treble/single-hook debate...I've been torn for years. The facts are: You will hook more fish with the treble, but more fish will stay on with the single . __________________

12-15-2008, 03:30 PM	#13
1Flatfish Wayne Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 98	12-10 Great fish Morgan! I ended up fishing San Diego Bay last Sunday for a few spotties and not much else. Got blown around real good! I wish I could fish the week days. Wayne

12-14-2008, 07:50 PM	#2
Geoffkoop Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: So. Orange County Posts: 302	Nice report and even nicer fish!

12-15-2008, 06:19 AM	#3
steveooo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,921	Nice winter time toad! Also nice to hear that he puked up some squid. With no real winter weather to speak of (except today) I was wondering if there was going to be any wintertime bite. I have also lost many fish on the yo yo iron. I was wondering if it was because of the treble???

12-15-2008, 07:50 AM	#4
Dan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,053	nice. that was a fishy morning (especially for you). Well done.

12-15-2008, 08:55 AM	#6
j mo Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Encinitas Posts: 600	Nice work.....

12-15-2008, 10:39 AM	#7
ezcompany Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 30

12-15-2008, 12:04 PM	#9
Geoffkoop Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: So. Orange County Posts: 302	I see

12-15-2008, 05:14 PM	#14
Quilted Germ Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Cardiff, Ca Posts: 185	Nice Nice fish. Thanks for the report.

12-15-2008, 07:21 PM	#15
esdees The Good Clone Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Clairemont Posts: 520	Sweet fish. Cool looking dog, too.

12-15-2008, 08:04 PM	#16
lamb Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,563	DOPE!!! Nice fish, very nice! treble will also increase your chance of fault hooking. Tell me you didn't bring one in on yo-yo that's cheek hooked or snagged somewhere outside the mouth. _____ __________________ [------------------------ <)))< ....b-a-a-a-a

12-15-2008, 08:47 PM	#17
FishSeeker Guest Posts: n/a	hey great job WHERE WERE YOU FISHING IN LA JOLLA???????????????? GREAT JOB NICE FISH

12-16-2008, 04:53 AM	#19
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	Nice job, I chased a school on top the day before and wound up frustrated, way to kill it!! __________________ Thanks Matt F.

12-16-2008, 11:35 AM	#20
THEDanHernandez Junior Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 10	nice! i need t get back down there __________________ I am THE Dan Hernandez candycatchers.com