LJ Conditions has it all wrong, Clipboarders are good - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Rusty · 05-17-2011, 09:01 PM

So I was launching on Saturday and saw DFG Clipboarder that I have seen on the sporties a lot. I asked him what their information is used for and he basically said the same thing as Paul. They use it for rockfish quota, determining seasons' lengths, and limits. He said it is also a "general way to keep track of, and manage fisheries." I asked him about MPLA closures and how this information relates, and his answer was that "they get information from many sources." On the way back in I shared my Cuda, Checker, bait and other catches with him. My new philosophy on sharing with them (now that I know why they're there): I will share with the clipboarders I like.

kurtfish · 05-18-2011, 10:35 AM

DFG and NOAA are agencies that do impact the development of and implimentation of local fishing regualtions. More and accurate data will help us all battle the environmentalists that just want to close us down.

Let's keep open minds to our friendly data collectors and Rusty's questions prior to sharing his results are a good way to get comfortable with the process and the people behind the research.RecFishYearinReview2010.pdf

Matt · 05-19-2011, 07:31 AM

Well I will continue with my "no talking" policy towards the clipboarders, as I fought the mlpa from the beginning I noticed a lot of data seeming to come from out of nowhere....for instance north of the pier was never on the agenda and then after the "where do you fish" and "clipboard" questioning suddenly that are is gone.....not sure if my mistrust is well placed but just as a standard policy "loose lips sink ships"

Fuck the MLPA!

FISHIONADO · 05-20-2011, 06:23 AM

Can't let Matt have the last word! After a long day on the water and only seeing you gnarly smelly fishermen out there I'm a sucker for a girl with a smile. I'll tell her my favorite fishing spot and where I was born and SSN and astrological sign. It would all be bullshit anyway, I might even do it with a New Zealand accent.

Seriously though, I always chat with them and share what I know and I get good info from them about current conditions and what they have seen the last couple days etc.

stuppid · 05-26-2011, 03:24 PM

What one has to worry about in my opinion is who is going to interpret the data and how are they going to use it. I can imagine two ways. High fish counts can help you and hurt you. If they are using fish counts to estimate the total fish population then high fish counts can help because high fish counts would equate to a healthy fishery. If they already have an estimate of the fish population by some other means then high fish counts could be interpreted as over take. If they have a low estimate of the fish population and the take is high they will have to take measures to reduce the take. I don't have any idea how they use the data but it is the pits when you feel that you cant trust the government to do the right thing whatever that might be.

flydigital · 05-26-2011, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by stuppid

What one has to worry about in my opinion is who is going to interpret the data and how are they going to use it. I can imagine two ways. High fish counts can help you and hurt you. If they are using fish counts to estimate the total fish population then high fish counts can help because high fish counts would equate to a healthy fishery. If they already have an estimate of the fish population by some other means then high fish counts could be interpreted as over take. If they have a low estimate of the fish population and the take is high they will have to take measures to reduce the take. I don't have any idea how they use the data but it is the pits when you feel that you cant trust the government to do the right thing whatever that might be.

The DFG, like many state's wildlife departments, has really done a great job managing take and balancing a habitat so it reaches is optimal population / carrying capacity. This is true for big game as well as fish. The are using REAL science and fixing problems before they get out of control.

The problem is when other government/legislation comes in and tries to "fix" existing policies that DFG has spent decades working on to find the best solution. We've already fixed it. DFG has done a great job and if we would just let them continue doing their job we would be just fine and everyone would be much happier. But that's just too darn non-dramatic and makes too much sense for a state like California to fathom.

Anyway, generally higher take figures are indicative of a thriving population.

bus kid · 05-20-2011, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt

Fuck the MLPA!

couldn't have said it better myself.

05-17-2011, 09:01 PM	#1
Rusty Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: LJ Posts: 201	So I was launching on Saturday and saw DFG Clipboarder that I have seen on the sporties a lot. I asked him what their information is used for and he basically said the same thing as Paul. They use it for rockfish quota, determining seasons' lengths, and limits. He said it is also a "general way to keep track of, and manage fisheries." I asked him about MPLA closures and how this information relates, and his answer was that "they get information from many sources." On the way back in I shared my Cuda, Checker, bait and other catches with him. My new philosophy on sharing with them (now that I know why they're there): I will share with the clipboarders I like. __________________

05-18-2011, 10:35 AM	#2
kurtfish Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: I work in the little Village of La Jolla Posts: 139	Thanks for Sharing Rusty DFG and NOAA are agencies that do impact the development of and implimentation of local fishing regualtions. More and accurate data will help us all battle the environmentalists that just want to close us down. Let's keep open minds to our friendly data collectors and Rusty's questions prior to sharing his results are a good way to get comfortable with the process and the people behind the research.RecFishYearinReview2010.pdf

05-19-2011, 07:31 AM	#3
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	Well I will continue with my "no talking" policy towards the clipboarders, as I fought the mlpa from the beginning I noticed a lot of data seeming to come from out of nowhere....for instance north of the pier was never on the agenda and then after the "where do you fish" and "clipboard" questioning suddenly that are is gone.....not sure if my mistrust is well placed but just as a standard policy "loose lips sink ships" Fuck the MLPA! __________________ Thanks Matt F.

05-20-2011, 06:23 AM	#4
FISHIONADO Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 698	Can't let Matt have the last word! After a long day on the water and only seeing you gnarly smelly fishermen out there I'm a sucker for a girl with a smile. I'll tell her my favorite fishing spot and where I was born and SSN and astrological sign. It would all be bullshit anyway, I might even do it with a New Zealand accent. Seriously though, I always chat with them and share what I know and I get good info from them about current conditions and what they have seen the last couple days etc.

05-26-2011, 03:24 PM	#5
stuppid Junior Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11	What one has to worry about in my opinion is who is going to interpret the data and how are they going to use it. I can imagine two ways. High fish counts can help you and hurt you. If they are using fish counts to estimate the total fish population then high fish counts can help because high fish counts would equate to a healthy fishery. If they already have an estimate of the fish population by some other means then high fish counts could be interpreted as over take. If they have a low estimate of the fish population and the take is high they will have to take measures to reduce the take. I don't have any idea how they use the data but it is the pits when you feel that you cant trust the government to do the right thing whatever that might be.