THE DANGER AT THE BEACH, NOW!

[jruiz]

Independent of the source, the article is not very well put together. It is fair to ask, how did she pull this out of her ass? Here is her CV if you want to take the time to review her credentials and past research.

https://caice.ucsd.edu/wp-content/up...er-CV_2019.pdf

It turns out shes been studying this phenomenon as far back as 2018. The article below describes a particular experiment where they concluded that fatty/waxy membranes of bacteria and viruses is what helped them come to the surface of the water and aerosolize.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...rature/564092/

The publication below describes the technique she used to detect microbes in aerosolized sea water.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021...alchem.7b00933

And if you're still in doubt, here's a "reliable" source

https://www.foxnews.com/us/virus-exp...id-coronavirus

Do your own fact finding then decide for yourself what you want to believe. Go beyond one source and really look at the data.

[TheBentRod]

Originally Posted by jruiz

Independent of the source, the article is not very well put together. It is fair to ask, how did she pull this out of her ass? Here is her CV if you want to take the time to review her credentials and past research.

https://caice.ucsd.edu/wp-content/up...er-CV_2019.pdf

It turns out shes been studying this phenomenon as far back as 2018. The article below describes a particular experiment where they concluded that fatty/waxy membranes of bacteria and viruses is what helped them come to the surface of the water and aerosolize.

Looks qualified to me. I can't completely make sense of the method used, and I would leave the validity to her fellow scientists to support the approach.

However, one thing has always been clear to me in all studies regarding viruses and microorganisms is the parts per million, billion or trillion in the water/medium. Higher concentrations provide a higher dose and will be more harmful. Another factor that has been consistent is the persons ability to fight it off. There are many people of all ages with issues fighting off specific or random diseases.

Her line of thinking portrays it as dangerous to be in the ocean at all. I have no idea if a virus can or cannot be diluted by ocean water. If viruses don't become destroyed or diluted in salt water or other environmental variables then we are screwed and should just look for a future with apes or zombies ruling the planet!

I agree especially after a rain, something that has been shared by the public health scientists for years. If I surfed I would not get in the water for at least 72 hours after a rain. I would not surf where the sewer lets out ever.
As it stands, I wear waders, and try to avoid prolonged water contact when on the water in Malibu anyway. I also pay attention to water quality reports. (http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/phc...ach_grades.cfm)

It will be interesting to follow how the environmental scientists respond critically to the position or if any surfers turn out to have caught the virus through the community (surfing counts) or travel.

Ventura County is investigating and reporting # of Confirmed Cases, Travel Related (10), Person-to-person acquired (46), Community acquired (98), and under investigation (72) with the current total of 226. https://www.vcemergency.com/

All that being said, she makes more sense than the current White House administration and thanks for the research.

[fishnfoool]

Relax people. You can only die once.

[govomit]

Ok that's it, this is the final straw! No more risking my life close to this poisonous soup!

Going in the Sierras for clean streams and farmed trout. Or just to Vons...
Safety FIRST.

[Pocoloco]

Originally Posted by govomit

Ok that's it, this is the final straw! No more risking my life close to this poisonous soup!

Going in the Sierras for clean streams and farmed trout. Or just to Vons...
Safety FIRST.

camp grounds are closed until june according to grant lake manager.

[govomit]

Originally Posted by Pocoloco

camp grounds are closed until june according to grant lake manager.

...next time I'll add <sarcasm>. Drive 400 miles for an artificial "abundance" of farmed trout? Instead of wrestling real wildlife steps from home - nah! Still prefer the local 'soup'.
Besides, I'm not too terrified by scientists - most of them are wrong most of the time

[Salty]

Originally Posted by fishnfoool

Relax people. You can only die once.

"YODO"

[TheBentRod]

Actual study on Covid-19 and it’s viability on various surfaces and aerosolized.

Aerosol and Surface Stability of SARS-CoV-2 as Compared with SARS-CoV-1

https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2004973

[jbl_91762]

If there were any concerns, there have been hundreds of surfers in the water and NOT ONE has been reported to have gotten sick. Just saying.

[Salty]

Originally Posted by jbl_91762

If there were any concerns, there have been hundreds of surfers in the water and NOT ONE has been reported to have gotten sick. Just saying.

You're still probably a thousand times more likely to get a staph infection while surfing than COVID. I guess this study shows it is POSSIBLE for the disease to survive at the surface in these conditions. But the probability of it happening has to be astronomically low. I mean, if someone with COVID hacks up a lung-nugget into a gutter that drains to a local surf break and it winds up in the lip of a wave as I'm going over the falls and get a nosefull of contaminated whitewater, then yeah, I probably now have COVID.

My takeaway is that the virus survives better outside our respiratory systems in wet environments. The air at the beach has more moisture. If someone with COVID is at the beach and you're standing downwind of them, the virus will probably travel much more than the recommended 6 feet. Same reason the virus spread so well in the wet markets in China I imagine. Whether I can get it on the water or not, I'm still gonna be extra cautious and not take unnecessary risks.

COVID DON'T SURF

[blitzburgh]

So just checking in on this one, I’m looking for all of the articles about massive spikes in coronavirus deaths from all of us going to the ocean. Can’t seem to find any, hmmm