MLPA meeting highlights / lowlights in real time - Page 2 - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Billy V · 10-22-2009, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tylerdurden

Yay. We get to do this again at the DFG meeting on December 10th in the LA area

Is that the BRTF version of passing the buck and making it someone elses problem? or showing their division?

I guess that 18 Million Dollar donation from Packard was not enough to Buy all 3 MLPA regions of Kalifornia.

Tman · 10-22-2009, 01:02 PM

I am so glad my son and I had a chance to partake in this most unbiased process and got to truly see the inner workings of bureaucracy...

Incredible. To think after everyone's hard work we still are gonna end up getting a

after all is said and done.

Like Tyler said,

Yay, we get to do it again in December....should we bus some kids in?

tylerdurden · 10-22-2009, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tman

I am so glad my son and I had a chance to partake in this most unbiased process and got to truly see the inner workings of bureaucracy...

Incredible. To think after everyone's hard work we still are gonna end up getting a

after all is said and done.

Like Tyler said,

Yay, we get to do it again in December....should we bus some kids in?

The December repeat is just my read of the situation based on my limited knowledge and viewing of todays meeting.

Billy V · 10-22-2009, 01:25 PM

More Punishment- Sad Reality TV is Back Online-
but not from the Male BTFR

Holy Mackerel · 10-22-2009, 01:27 PM

post updates, I can't get facebook, or streaming media at work!

PAL · 10-22-2009, 02:10 PM

Guys, there's every chance they'll close this thing down today. That's if they don't deadlock 2-2.

They were ALWAYS going to forward all reasonable proposals. Thing is, the Commission has always rubber stamped the preferred alternative. The others are mostly there to fulfill red tape requirements for CA's environmental impact report laws, which require consideration of alternatives.

So far this is just debate / discussion. There are no decisions yet, but they are making A and B alternatives for each geography. Stay tuned.

Billy V · 10-22-2009, 02:14 PM

San Diego ON NOW !!!

WATCH IT, or MISS IT.

Holy Mackerel · 10-22-2009, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy V

San Diego ON NOW !!!

Damn, keep the updates coming!!!!

Billy V · 10-22-2009, 02:24 PM

They cut the Video Link !

bender0240 · 10-22-2009, 02:36 PM

Holy Mac:

(From Pau'ls blog)
La Jolla is up. A is south La Jolla and Swamis, existing Scripps. B is the same plus an expanded Scripps and the frickin' pier and our bait

Steven GreenInteresting that garth mentioned still allowing bait to be caught and kayak hook and line fishing north of the pier

Paul LebowitzI'll get them to clarify

tylerdurden · 10-22-2009, 02:42 PM

I missed that whole exchange. The damn feed just cut out.

JoeBeck · 10-22-2009, 02:44 PM

Yep me too!

Update from Paul
Paul Lebowitz South La Jolla is gone, gone, gone. Pt Loma is in the clear. I think we'll get stuck with an expanded Scripps MPA, pushed out as far as the point. It sounds as if we'll keep our bait and maybe even pelagics north of the pier. I'll try to find out in the next bit of downtime.

Holy Mackerel · 10-22-2009, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bender0240

Holy Mac:

(From Pau'ls blog)
La Jolla is up. A is south La Jolla and Swamis, existing Scripps. B is the same plus an expanded Scripps and the frickin' pier and our bait

Steven GreenInteresting that garth mentioned still allowing bait to be caught and kayak hook and line fishing north of the pier

Paul LebowitzI'll get them to clarify

Thank you, I hope we kayakers get special consideration for North of Scripps!

keep the updates coming!

rastrev · 10-22-2009, 02:57 PM

Looks like they could give a #$% what we asked for yesterday. South LJ is the main focus of both sides in SD County.

A couple "positives";

Right before they went on break there was an argument made for pelagics allowed in water deeper than 50m in South LJ. I did not hear any complaints.

Also, there is an attempt to make the South LJ SMR smaller since the Swami's SMCA meets the size and spacing guidlines, even heard one of the guys on the BRTF speaking in favor of a smaller than 9 square mile SMR in LJ. Keep you fingers crossed

bender0240 · 10-22-2009, 02:57 PM

What a disaster

dsafety · 10-22-2009, 02:58 PM

Hey Paul,

If you are monitoring, please correct the woman who claimed that kayaks can launch from the cove. No floating devices are allowed there. Other than Big Rock near Windansea there are no usable launches at the La Jolla rock beaches. Would closing South LJ mean that launches would be prohibited there?

Dare we hope that we may come out of this with somewhere we can still fish in LJ? The fact that they are considering allowing the catching of bait at the pier is a hopeful sign.

Keep your reports coming.

Bob

Grego · 10-22-2009, 03:01 PM

I think the West End of Catalina is clear!...yeah!! Rocky Point? we aren't getting updates on BT, so PAUL don't skip over updating Rocky Point PV info here.

JoeBeck · 10-22-2009, 03:03 PM

Problem is your going to have a mass of people all fishing one area in LJ and us who fish point loma will no longer have it to ourselves

JoeBeck · 10-22-2009, 03:06 PM

Yes looks like west end is clear but long point boat in camping is done.

Billy V · 10-22-2009, 03:09 PM

As Per Cal Span...

"The internet Feed in Long Beach is OUT, and they are unable to broadcast from that location"
-----------------------------

Go grab yourself some Maloxx, or RollAids.

10-22-2009, 01:02 PM	#22
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Wow... I am so glad my son and I had a chance to partake in this most unbiased process and got to truly see the inner workings of bureaucracy... Incredible. To think after everyone's hard work we still are gonna end up getting a after all is said and done. Like Tyler said, Yay, we get to do it again in December....should we bus some kids in? __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

10-22-2009, 01:25 PM	#24
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	More Punishment- Sad Reality TV is Back Online- but not from the Male BTFR Last edited by Billy V; 10-22-2009 at 01:43 PM.

10-22-2009, 02:42 PM	#31
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	I missed that whole exchange. The damn feed just cut out. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

10-22-2009, 02:57 PM	#34
rastrev Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SD, CA Posts: 173	Looks like they could give a #$% what we asked for yesterday. South LJ is the main focus of both sides in SD County. A couple "positives"; Right before they went on break there was an argument made for pelagics allowed in water deeper than 50m in South LJ. I did not hear any complaints. Also, there is an attempt to make the South LJ SMR smaller since the Swami's SMCA meets the size and spacing guidlines, even heard one of the guys on the BRTF speaking in favor of a smaller than 9 square mile SMR in LJ. Keep you fingers crossed __________________ "If a fish could keep his mouth shut, he would never get caught." - U-Roy, Fisherman Style

10-22-2009, 01:27 PM	#25
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	post updates, I can't get facebook, or streaming media at work!

10-22-2009, 02:10 PM	#26
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	Guys, there's every chance they'll close this thing down today. That's if they don't deadlock 2-2. They were ALWAYS going to forward all reasonable proposals. Thing is, the Commission has always rubber stamped the preferred alternative. The others are mostly there to fulfill red tape requirements for CA's environmental impact report laws, which require consideration of alternatives. So far this is just debate / discussion. There are no decisions yet, but they are making A and B alternatives for each geography. Stay tuned.

10-22-2009, 02:14 PM	#27
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	San Diego ON NOW !!! WATCH IT, or MISS IT.

10-22-2009, 02:24 PM	#29
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	They cut the Video Link !

10-22-2009, 02:36 PM	#30
bender0240 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 118	Holy Mac: (From Pau'ls blog) La Jolla is up. A is south La Jolla and Swamis, existing Scripps. B is the same plus an expanded Scripps and the frickin' pier and our bait Steven GreenInteresting that garth mentioned still allowing bait to be caught and kayak hook and line fishing north of the pier Paul LebowitzI'll get them to clarify

10-22-2009, 02:44 PM	#32
JoeBeck Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 370	Yep me too! Update from Paul Paul Lebowitz South La Jolla is gone, gone, gone. Pt Loma is in the clear. I think we'll get stuck with an expanded Scripps MPA, pushed out as far as the point. It sounds as if we'll keep our bait and maybe even pelagics north of the pier. I'll try to find out in the next bit of downtime.

10-22-2009, 02:58 PM	#36
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,121	Hey Paul, If you are monitoring, please correct the woman who claimed that kayaks can launch from the cove. No floating devices are allowed there. Other than Big Rock near Windansea there are no usable launches at the La Jolla rock beaches. Would closing South LJ mean that launches would be prohibited there? Dare we hope that we may come out of this with somewhere we can still fish in LJ? The fact that they are considering allowing the catching of bait at the pier is a hopeful sign. Keep your reports coming. Bob

10-22-2009, 03:01 PM	#37
Grego Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 445	I think the West End of Catalina is clear!...yeah!! Rocky Point? we aren't getting updates on BT, so PAUL don't skip over updating Rocky Point PV info here.

10-22-2009, 03:03 PM	#38
JoeBeck Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 370	Problem is your going to have a mass of people all fishing one area in LJ and us who fish point loma will no longer have it to ourselves

10-22-2009, 03:06 PM	#39
JoeBeck Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 370	Yes looks like west end is clear but long point boat in camping is done.

10-22-2009, 03:09 PM	#40
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	As Per Cal Span... "The internet Feed in Long Beach is OUT, and they are unable to broadcast from that location" ----------------------------- Go grab yourself some Maloxx, or RollAids.