WT$ do you mean we still have three external proposals? I thought External C is out? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

zenspearo · 07-23-2009, 10:59 AM

Article Date: July 23, 2009.

http://www.advocate-news.com/local/ci_12898347

Wiseman and a dozen MLPA Initiative-involved planners, scientists and public relations specialists chatted with locals and even sampled locally-harvested seaweed at a Tuesday night open house at Dana Gray Elementary in Fort Bragg.
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"Currently in Southern California, we have three external proposals, two brought by fishermen and one from environmentalists," Wiseman said.

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Am I the only one hallucinating that at the end of Round 2, we only have two external proposals? How did we get back to having three?

If this is what the I-team is thinking, I have zero trust in them. We went through this sh$t with External C not once, but twice already.

Kayakfishermen, spearos and fishermen need to show up on July 28/29 to straighten this mess out.

Blue Ribbon Task Force meeting (the super-important guidance forming one)
July 28-29, 2009
July 28: 9:00 a.m. – 5:30 p.m.
July 29: 8:00 a.m. – 4:00 p.m.
PUBLIC COMMENT TIME: At approximately 4:30 p.m. on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 and at 8:00 a.m. on Wednesday, July 29, 2009.
Sheraton Delfina Santa Monica
530 Pico Blvd.
Santa Monica, CA 90405

How are the kayakfishermen roll call doing?

zenspearo · 07-23-2009, 11:03 AM

And not to put too fine a point to it, the enviros are mobilizing their base for July 28/29 BRTF meeting.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelly-..._b_243502.html

Imagine a world without fish. It's closer than you think. And, it's not the legacy I want to leave for my children. As a Southern California resident and long-time ocean activist, I care deeply about the state of our sea and know we cannot take it for granted. It provides a wealth of economic, recreational and therapeutic benefits.

While issues like climate change and pollution seem to grab all the headlines, another equally dire problem lurks beneath the world's oceans. Or rather, it lurks above them, in party boats and rigs of all shapes and sizes that fish our waters to meet an ever-growing demand for fresh seafood. Our oceans cannot keep up with this pressure. The number of commercial fishing vessels and commercial fishing related revenue in Los Angeles County alone has decreased by over 50% since 1990. Some local fish populations are down 90% from their historical levels.

But, fish are in. Every doctor and health magazine seems to rave about their health benefits. And here in Los Angeles, we have thousands of restaurants that pride themselves on turning consumers on to the latest thing--from disappearing tuna to struggling Pacific salmon.

President Obama declared June Oceans Month, recognizing that the problems facing our seas are too great to be tackled in a single day. Here in Southern California, for those following the implementation of marine protected areas, it might well feel like Oceans Year. Local divers, scientists, surfers and anglers have been working overtime to map out a sustainable future for our coastal waters through the creation these seriously needed pockets of protection, where marine life and habitats can recover and thrive safe from disturbance. As the state draws its plans for these areas, it must keep protections strong, for the sake of everyone who depends on healthy oceans.

Science has shown that marine protected areas are one of the best ways to buffer our oceans from threats like climate change and acidification, and an effective step toward restoring underwater ecosystems. We've seen their effectiveness firsthand as close to home as Santa Barbara. After only five years, kelp forests have grown in the protected areas around the Channel Islands, and fish are larger and more abundant. But while these areas have helped to restore ocean environments worldwide, less than 1% of our seas are protected.

For decades, we have preserved iconic landscapes with wilderness areas and parks. Now, California is leading the charge to do the same underwater. The state is halfway through a science-based public process to create an underwater parks system in our own backyards. On July 28 and 29, a policy task force will meet in Santa Monica to discuss these coastal protections. Divers, anglers, business owners, and ocean lovers throughout the region can attend and share their thoughts about protecting our valuable ocean.

Join me in telling the state they must act before it's too late - and they must do it right. This means developing science-based protections for our ocean and resisting industry pressure to weaken them.

With so many people relying on the ocean for business and pleasure, this community-driven process is not without conflict. Some commercial and recreational fishermen are resisting protected areas out of fear of effects to their business - and their voices are loud. But the truth is, protected areas will help make fish more plentiful, and without them, the entire future of fishing is at risk. It is our responsibility as Southern California residents, parents, and coastal users to make sure the state hears us as well.

A healthier ocean benefits our whole community. In the long run, fishermen will catch more fish that spill out of protected areas. And the rest of us will be able to dive, surf, and swim in thriving kelp forests teeming with life. In a time of economic uncertainty and environmental degradation, marine protected areas are the insurance policy we need for the future health and productivity of our California coast. Our amazing submarine canyons, majestic kelp forests and rocky headlands are iconic spots that deserve protection. I hope you will join me in supporting scientifically sound protected areas for Southern California. Consider attending the July 28-29 meeting or sending a letter of support. Learn more at www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa. or www.caloceans.org.

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Take a guess who is Caloceans.org.

CalOceans is a coalition comprised of The Natural Resources Defense Council, World Wildlife Fund, Ocean Conservancy, and The Otter Project.

Holy Mackerel · 07-23-2009, 11:56 AM

Bump! please sign up, and make the committment to attend one of the meetings!

JoeBeck · 07-23-2009, 01:22 PM

Love the comment from the Florida angler at the bottom of her article/post. Said perfectly.

"Kelly,

We (sport fishermen in Florida) will fight with every ounce of our ability to keep any more MPAs out of Florida waters. Fish populations in Florida haven't been this good in 50 years. We outlawed most commercial fishing and have very stringent limitations on the number and size of fish that are allowed to be kept. These changes have been more than adequate. MPAs are unnecessary and militant. There ultimate purpose is to outlaw fishing altogether. Keep your crazy California crap out there. I support organizations like CCA that help to protect our fishing rights and as Florida's sport fishing industry creates Billions of dollars for our economy we will have the power to fight these refuges. SAY NO TO MPAs."

tylerdurden · 07-23-2009, 03:54 PM

but I thought ext c was gone last time

. That quote shows how little trust I have in the whole thing, and just reinforces why we need to show up.

1Flatfish · 07-23-2009, 05:17 PM

"Some local fish populations are down 90% from their historical levels."

Is this true? What populations is this person referencing? Any in La Jolla?

"Some commercial and recreational fishermen are resisting protected areas out of fear of effects to their business - and their voices are loud."

Nothing wrong with being protective of your business. But I don't think even fishermen, for the most part, object to some protected areas. The question is what areas? (I could be wrong about this.)

"And the rest of us will be able to dive, surf, and swim in thriving kelp forests teeming with life."

Are they not teeming with life now? It seems that way to me when I go out there. But I'm not a scientist or an activist.

These are just a few questions I have. I admit, I don't know much about the fish populations in the areas that I like to frequent other than they seem fine to me. I don't see anybody destroying kelp. In fact, it seems like kelp is ever expanding throughout the near shore areas that I can see. If I'm wrong, I accept that. I see what I see with my own eyes, not what other people say I should see.

Wayne

zenspearo · 07-23-2009, 05:24 PM

Dinosaur populations are down 100% from their historical levels. So is the saber-tooth tiger population.

Closures will save these, along with, as the article mentioned, global warming and acidification! whoo hoo...

All kidding aside, I think fishermen are not objecting to reasonable closures. But it sucks that the law was passed in 1999 based on a $250K/year cost estimate to address water pollution, over-building, over-fishing, etc., and gets turned into an anti-fishing referendum that will cost $30M-$40M a year that the State doesn't have to enforce. And other activities/actors (anchoring, water polluters) that damage habitat more, much more, are given a pass.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1Flatfish

"Some local fish populations are down 90% from their historical levels."

Is this true? What populations is this person referencing? Any in La Jolla?

"Some commercial and recreational fishermen are resisting protected areas out of fear of effects to their business - and their voices are loud."

Nothing wrong with being protective of your business. But I don't think even fishermen, for the most part, object to some protected areas. The question is what areas? (I could be wrong about this.)

"And the rest of us will be able to dive, surf, and swim in thriving kelp forests teeming with life."

Are they not teeming with life now? It seems that way to me when I go out there. But I'm not a scientist or an activist.

These are just a few questions I have. I admit, I don't know much about the fish populations in the areas that I like to frequent other than they seem fine to me. I don't see anybody destroying kelp. In fact, it seems like kelp is ever expanding throughout the near shore areas that I can see. If I'm wrong, I accept that. I see what I see with my own eyes, not what other people say I should see.

Wayne

Billy V · 07-23-2009, 05:44 PM

Wake up Fellas.....
Ken Wiseman is Fixing to Shove it Straight up Your A*se. Just like He did with the Vote on the External "C" Map the last time.

We need you to show up in Force at this BRTF Meeting on July 28th. and Again on August 4th.

We need it now, not later.

07-23-2009, 10:59 AM	#1
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	WT$ do you mean we still have three external proposals? I thought External C is out? Article Date: July 23, 2009. http://www.advocate-news.com/local/ci_12898347 Wiseman and a dozen MLPA Initiative-involved planners, scientists and public relations specialists chatted with locals and even sampled locally-harvested seaweed at a Tuesday night open house at Dana Gray Elementary in Fort Bragg. ... "Currently in Southern California, we have three external proposals, two brought by fishermen and one from environmentalists," Wiseman said. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am I the only one hallucinating that at the end of Round 2, we only have two external proposals? How did we get back to having three? If this is what the I-team is thinking, I have zero trust in them. We went through this sh$t with External C not once, but twice already. Kayakfishermen, spearos and fishermen need to show up on July 28/29 to straighten this mess out. Blue Ribbon Task Force meeting (the super-important guidance forming one) July 28-29, 2009 July 28: 9:00 a.m. – 5:30 p.m. July 29: 8:00 a.m. – 4:00 p.m. PUBLIC COMMENT TIME: At approximately 4:30 p.m. on Tuesday, July 28, 2009 and at 8:00 a.m. on Wednesday, July 29, 2009. Sheraton Delfina Santa Monica 530 Pico Blvd. Santa Monica, CA 90405 How are the kayakfishermen roll call doing? __________________ A spearo, but we are in this MLPA mess together

07-23-2009, 11:03 AM	#2
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	And not to put too fine a point to it, the enviros are mobilizing their base for July 28/29 BRTF meeting. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelly-..._b_243502.html Imagine a world without fish. It's closer than you think. And, it's not the legacy I want to leave for my children. As a Southern California resident and long-time ocean activist, I care deeply about the state of our sea and know we cannot take it for granted. It provides a wealth of economic, recreational and therapeutic benefits. While issues like climate change and pollution seem to grab all the headlines, another equally dire problem lurks beneath the world's oceans. Or rather, it lurks above them, in party boats and rigs of all shapes and sizes that fish our waters to meet an ever-growing demand for fresh seafood. Our oceans cannot keep up with this pressure. The number of commercial fishing vessels and commercial fishing related revenue in Los Angeles County alone has decreased by over 50% since 1990. Some local fish populations are down 90% from their historical levels. But, fish are in. Every doctor and health magazine seems to rave about their health benefits. And here in Los Angeles, we have thousands of restaurants that pride themselves on turning consumers on to the latest thing--from disappearing tuna to struggling Pacific salmon. President Obama declared June Oceans Month, recognizing that the problems facing our seas are too great to be tackled in a single day. Here in Southern California, for those following the implementation of marine protected areas, it might well feel like Oceans Year. Local divers, scientists, surfers and anglers have been working overtime to map out a sustainable future for our coastal waters through the creation these seriously needed pockets of protection, where marine life and habitats can recover and thrive safe from disturbance. As the state draws its plans for these areas, it must keep protections strong, for the sake of everyone who depends on healthy oceans. Science has shown that marine protected areas are one of the best ways to buffer our oceans from threats like climate change and acidification, and an effective step toward restoring underwater ecosystems. We've seen their effectiveness firsthand as close to home as Santa Barbara. After only five years, kelp forests have grown in the protected areas around the Channel Islands, and fish are larger and more abundant. But while these areas have helped to restore ocean environments worldwide, less than 1% of our seas are protected. For decades, we have preserved iconic landscapes with wilderness areas and parks. Now, California is leading the charge to do the same underwater. The state is halfway through a science-based public process to create an underwater parks system in our own backyards. On July 28 and 29, a policy task force will meet in Santa Monica to discuss these coastal protections. Divers, anglers, business owners, and ocean lovers throughout the region can attend and share their thoughts about protecting our valuable ocean. Join me in telling the state they must act before it's too late - and they must do it right. This means developing science-based protections for our ocean and resisting industry pressure to weaken them. With so many people relying on the ocean for business and pleasure, this community-driven process is not without conflict. Some commercial and recreational fishermen are resisting protected areas out of fear of effects to their business - and their voices are loud. But the truth is, protected areas will help make fish more plentiful, and without them, the entire future of fishing is at risk. It is our responsibility as Southern California residents, parents, and coastal users to make sure the state hears us as well. A healthier ocean benefits our whole community. In the long run, fishermen will catch more fish that spill out of protected areas. And the rest of us will be able to dive, surf, and swim in thriving kelp forests teeming with life. In a time of economic uncertainty and environmental degradation, marine protected areas are the insurance policy we need for the future health and productivity of our California coast. Our amazing submarine canyons, majestic kelp forests and rocky headlands are iconic spots that deserve protection. I hope you will join me in supporting scientifically sound protected areas for Southern California. Consider attending the July 28-29 meeting or sending a letter of support. Learn more at www.dfg.ca.gov/mlpa. or www.caloceans.org. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take a guess who is Caloceans.org. CalOceans is a coalition comprised of The Natural Resources Defense Council, World Wildlife Fund, Ocean Conservancy, and The Otter Project. __________________ A spearo, but we are in this MLPA mess together

07-23-2009, 03:54 PM	#5
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	but I thought ext c was gone last time . That quote shows how little trust I have in the whole thing, and just reinforces why we need to show up. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

07-23-2009, 05:17 PM	#6
1Flatfish Wayne Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 98	Huffington Post letter "Some local fish populations are down 90% from their historical levels." Is this true? What populations is this person referencing? Any in La Jolla? "Some commercial and recreational fishermen are resisting protected areas out of fear of effects to their business - and their voices are loud." Nothing wrong with being protective of your business. But I don't think even fishermen, for the most part, object to some protected areas. The question is what areas? (I could be wrong about this.) "And the rest of us will be able to dive, surf, and swim in thriving kelp forests teeming with life." Are they not teeming with life now? It seems that way to me when I go out there. But I'm not a scientist or an activist. These are just a few questions I have. I admit, I don't know much about the fish populations in the areas that I like to frequent other than they seem fine to me. I don't see anybody destroying kelp. In fact, it seems like kelp is ever expanding throughout the near shore areas that I can see. If I'm wrong, I accept that. I see what I see with my own eyes, not what other people say I should see. Wayne

07-23-2009, 11:56 AM	#3
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	Bump! please sign up, and make the committment to attend one of the meetings!

07-23-2009, 01:22 PM	#4
JoeBeck Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 370	Love the comment from the Florida angler at the bottom of her article/post. Said perfectly. "Kelly, We (sport fishermen in Florida) will fight with every ounce of our ability to keep any more MPAs out of Florida waters. Fish populations in Florida haven't been this good in 50 years. We outlawed most commercial fishing and have very stringent limitations on the number and size of fish that are allowed to be kept. These changes have been more than adequate. MPAs are unnecessary and militant. There ultimate purpose is to outlaw fishing altogether. Keep your crazy California crap out there. I support organizations like CCA that help to protect our fishing rights and as Florida's sport fishing industry creates Billions of dollars for our economy we will have the power to fight these refuges. SAY NO TO MPAs."

07-23-2009, 05:44 PM	#8
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	Wake up Fellas..... Ken Wiseman is Fixing to Shove it Straight up Your Ase. Just like He did with the Vote on the External "C" Map the last time. We need you to show up in Force at this BRTF Meeting on July 28th. and Again on August 4th.* We need it now, not later.