Watch out for the DFG guy. - Page 2 - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

jimbo · 06-04-2010, 12:11 PM

I believe the CA law requires you have a net if you are targeting halibut. It's been a long time since I read that Reg and it never made sense to me b/c how can you prove you are or are not targeting a specific species. Maybe somebody else who has it fresher in their memory or somebody with a law degree can set the record straight.

I don't think PFD, horn, flares, type IV (throwable), and light requirements apply to yaks b/c it's they are not technically a "vessel" but rather a water sport device(that's why they don't require CF #s). But I definitely think lights are great idea voluntarily - it can be hard to see yaks from a boat. OEX sells waterproof Scotty lights that fit in the deck and are easily removable and pretty cheap. They don't require any wiring - 2 alkaline batteries. You could even clip a glow stick to a rod tip.

467echo · 06-04-2010, 12:21 PM

Ran into them a few times this year @ LJ, just wish I had a reason for them to inspect my license if ya know what I mean!!

They seem pretty chill to me.

Hunters Pa · 06-04-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by robmandel

most definitely!!! lady up in malibu is very cool. got checked a couple of times, no problem. she isn't power trippy at all. quite the opposite. in fact, I've never had a bad experience with them, ever.

and remember, the warden's association is on record opposed to the MLPA. they've even said there's no way they can or will enforce it. honestly, dfg and us are on the same side. they're good people, doing a tough ass job. we oughta be as cool with them as we can.

Yep Rob, I remember her at the Kahuna series. I was so impressed that I went into the DFG office in Cypress & filled out a commendation form for how well she fit in and the courteous manner she did her job. Her name is Cindy Wood, and having a commendation in her file due to her interaction with the kayak nation ain't gonna hurt our future interactions.

I'll complain when it's warranted, but I try to make the effort to make sure management gets the good feedback that is usually earned but never rendered

sdfisher · 06-04-2010, 03:57 PM

I went fishing today with my buddy at mission bay for his b-day, the DFG guy came and I realized I did not have my license on me, the one time I forget it I get a ticket, and I have bought a license every year since I was 16... no animosity towards him, he was just doing his job, but there are a lot of scumbags out there who poach, fish with out licenses and follow none of the regs.
bummer hopefully the fine will not be as much since I have a license. Lesson learned, do not even touch a pole if I do not have the L with me

Gino · 06-04-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dsafety

Maybe some of you were just having a little fun but I doubt the DFG cares about whistles or even PFDs. I am not sure about the net however. I know that is a requirement on some inland waters. Anyone know for sure about the ocean?

Since this is not Arizona, I guess we will not have to be able to prove that we are legal residents. Sometimes I wonder exactly how I would prove that I am legal. A drivers license and credit cards would not do it because anyone can get those. The only thing I can think of that would work for sure is a passport.

Note to self... next time I go to visit my son in Arizona, be sure to pack the passport.

Bob

When you buy a fishing liscense, the vendor is supposed to check your drivers liscense and compare it with what you have written on the fishing lisecense. A fishing liscense can be a form of pseudo Identification.
Not sure how Arizona has anythign to do with DFG asking for your liscense.

Gino · 06-04-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sdfisher

I went fishing today with my buddy at mission bay for his b-day, the DFG guy came and I realized I did not have my license on me, the one time I forget it I get a ticket, and I have bought a license every year since I was 16... no animosity towards him, he was just doing his job, but there are a lot of scumbags out there who poach, fish with out licenses and follow none of the regs.
bummer hopefully the fine will not be as much since I have a license. Lesson learned, do not even touch a pole if I do not have the L with me

Just go to Court, with your lisecense and tell the judge, you made a mistake and forgot it. Hell reduce your fine to like $100...(usually $250+) Witch isnt to bad.

dsafety · 06-04-2010, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gino

Not sure how Arizona has anything to do with DFG asking for your license.

Sorry, just a lame attempt at some political humor. I will drop that one from my next standup routine.

On a more serious note, I would really like to know if we are supposed to pack nets when fishing in the ocean. I could not find anything on the DFG site so I sent them an email. Today was a mandated furlough day so no one was working at the DFG today, (does this make sense to anyone?).

If I get an answer, I will post it here.

Bob

GregAndrew · 06-04-2010, 08:21 PM

Yes, a net is required by the DFG. It is supposed to have an opening of at least 18 inches. In practicality though, they rarely ask if you have one and really do not care if it is a bit smaller than 18 inches.

I don't think that the DFG will enforce the PFD requirement, but the Coast Guard and Harbor Police can and do.

I am fairly certain that a single white light is required on your yak at night, but also not enforced by the DFG.

dick fabulous · 06-05-2010, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tamarack Studios

so just to make sure I don't get nailed for anything lame, cause thats my luck

we have to have:
1) our license
2) a pfd on board
3) nothing illegal

am I missing anything?

I'm just saying

Hunters Pa · 06-05-2010, 06:54 AM

Pretty sure the net is a requirement, which is why I bought the folding Promar. Makes you compliant. I'll look for the reg later today if the kids let me

bubblehide · 06-05-2010, 06:14 PM

I also like to see the DFG out there and feel like my license money is being utilized appropriately when there out there; only problem is that I hardly ever bump into them. But considering their proportion to the population hardly seeing them is understandable, there low numbers are not.

Years ago I had a few bad run-ins with a particular DFG officer; I was never in violation, so I was assertive but cooperative with him and everything always ended fine. But I would rather have them treat me (as they usually do) and anyone with dignity and respect until the situation calls for something different.

driftwood · 06-05-2010, 07:10 PM

I did have the privilege to speak with some of the the DFG guy's at a couple of the MLPA meetings and they told me they were on our side 100%.

But, does anyone know if the DFG officers have to meet a daily quota like the CHP officers?

The last two times i got checked out by the DFG, they seemed to be very disappointed that they had nothing on me. Why is that?

Has anyone else experienced this too? Or is it just me?

roadx · 06-05-2010, 08:45 PM

2010-2011 regs for nets

28.55 or 28.27, respectively.
(d) No gaff hook shall be used to take or assist in landing any finfish shorter than the minimum size limit. For the purpose of this section a gaff hook is any hook with or without a handle used to assist in landing fish or to take fish in such a manner that the fish does not take the hook voluntarily in its mouth. No person shall take finfish from any boat or other floating device in ocean waters without having a landing net in possession or available for immediate use to assist in landing undersize fish of species having minimum size limits; the opening of any such landing net shall be not less than eighteen inches in diameter.

danny · 06-05-2010, 10:29 PM

The DFG here is not bad at all. The ones in WA state suck just plan a holes. I had never been fishing there and was trying to catch a trout and got a ticket for salmon. I was at fort lewis and had never fished there before. The guys here are great I have got some great tips from them. They are state workers and have plenty to be pissed about.

dsafety · 06-06-2010, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadx

2010-2011 regs for nets

28.55 or 28.27, respectively.
(d) No gaff hook shall be used to take or assist in landing any finfish shorter than the minimum size limit. For the purpose of this section a gaff hook is any hook with or without a handle used to assist in landing fish or to take fish in such a manner that the fish does not take the hook voluntarily in its mouth. No person shall take finfish from any boat or other floating device in ocean waters without having a landing net in possession or available for immediate use to assist in landing undersize fish of species having minimum size limits; the opening of any such landing net shall be not less than eighteen inches in diameter.

Thanks for finding the reg. So I guess I will be packing the net from now on. I have one, it has just never touched a fish. I release most of the fish I catch while they are still in the water and have never found the need for using a net. I bet I am not alone.

Bob

Lets_Fish · 06-06-2010, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

I did have the privilege to speak with some of the the DFG guy's at a couple of the MLPA meetings and they told me they were on our side 100%.

But, does anyone know if the DFG officers have to meet a daily quota like the CHP officers?

The last two times i got checked out by the DFG, they seemed to be very disappointed that they had nothing on me. Why is that?

Has anyone else experienced this too? Or is it just me?

Back in January while fishing SD Bay, when I landed I was checked by 2 DFG agents next to the boat ramp at Shelter Island. They then checked every kayak and the one paddleboarder but not one PB! Now what's up with that? They did not even go over to the pier and check those people fishing. I'm guessing they were looking for all those seahorses that we were harvesting!

Hypoxic1 · 06-06-2010, 07:10 AM

3 weeks ago I was off the point and saw the big aluminium DFG mothership hovering off Scripps pier. They hit every boat on the water. Me first

. I had inadvertantly left my wallet with my license in the truck which is rare for me but they gave me a pass while at the same time saying "never again". They did hit every boat out there though and continued down the coast. They also indicated that this is going to be a regular thing all year long. I will never roll without my license again. Overall they seemed like pretty nice guys just doing their jobs.
I think attitude plays a lot in interaction just like everywhere else.

Aaron · 06-06-2010, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftwood

But, does anyone know if the DFG officers have to meet a daily quota like the CHP officers?

The warden that I went on a ride along with definitely had a quota. But he made it sound like it was so low that he could barely work and still meet it, so it wasn't a driving factor in how operations were being conducted. I believe his quota was set up so that he had to write a set amount of "no fishing license" tickets but that everything else was a bit open ended.

1Flatfish · 06-06-2010, 09:08 AM

Something else to think about: How many times do you just tell the DFG that you caught nothing to avoid any hassle? I am sadly guilty guilty of it. Then they think nobody is catching anything. Then others say there are no fish out there to catch, because nothing is being reported. Then they whip a little MLPA on us because the fish counts are so low. Is there anything to this? I don't know. But I am honest about what I catch now. Keep or release. Better information is better for all.

Drew · 06-07-2010, 11:36 AM

I was checked yesterday after scuba diving in the LJ Cove. He checked my weight pockets, probably looking for shells? Abalone? I did see 3 abs - all more than 12" across...mmmmmmm.

I'm always open and helpful with these checks - it's like others have said. I follow the rules and want them to find the bad guys. After the check he was very friendly, shared some chatter about the red tide and other dive locations he's seen that were cleaner than the shores.

By the by - the cove dive was good - open vis and no red tide around the corner near boomers. Hospitals was clear on Thursday but covered when we checked it Saturday. Anyone seen Cardiff? Is it clear?

06-04-2010, 12:11 PM	#21
jimbo Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: san diego Posts: 97	net requirement I believe the CA law requires you have a net if you are targeting halibut. It's been a long time since I read that Reg and it never made sense to me b/c how can you prove you are or are not targeting a specific species. Maybe somebody else who has it fresher in their memory or somebody with a law degree can set the record straight. I don't think PFD, horn, flares, type IV (throwable), and light requirements apply to yaks b/c it's they are not technically a "vessel" but rather a water sport device(that's why they don't require CF #s). But I definitely think lights are great idea voluntarily - it can be hard to see yaks from a boat. OEX sells waterproof Scotty lights that fit in the deck and are easily removable and pretty cheap. They don't require any wiring - 2 alkaline batteries. You could even clip a glow stick to a rod tip. __________________ that's why they call it fishing

06-04-2010, 12:21 PM	#22
467echo Rookie of the Month Club Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Mira Mesa Posts: 483	Ran into them a few times this year @ LJ, just wish I had a reason for them to inspect my license if ya know what I mean!! They seem pretty chill to me. __________________ they are getting bigger....

06-05-2010, 07:10 PM	#32
driftwood Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SAN DIEGO Posts: 1,086	I did have the privilege to speak with some of the the DFG guy's at a couple of the MLPA meetings and they told me they were on our side 100%. But, does anyone know if the DFG officers have to meet a daily quota like the CHP officers? The last two times i got checked out by the DFG, they seemed to be very disappointed that they had nothing on me. Why is that? Has anyone else experienced this too? Or is it just me? Last edited by driftwood; 06-05-2010 at 07:22 PM.

06-06-2010, 07:10 AM	#37
Hypoxic1 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Oceanside Posts: 215	Cal DFG Actually pretty cool 3 weeks ago I was off the point and saw the big aluminium DFG mothership hovering off Scripps pier. They hit every boat on the water. Me first. I had inadvertantly left my wallet with my license in the truck which is rare for me but they gave me a pass while at the same time saying "never again". They did hit every boat out there though and continued down the coast. They also indicated that this is going to be a regular thing all year long. I will never roll without my license again. Overall they seemed like pretty nice guys just doing their jobs. I think attitude plays a lot in interaction just like everywhere else.

06-06-2010, 09:08 AM	#39
1Flatfish Wayne Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 98	dfg Something else to think about: How many times do you just tell the DFG that you caught nothing to avoid any hassle? I am sadly guilty guilty of it. Then they think nobody is catching anything. Then others say there are no fish out there to catch, because nothing is being reported. Then they whip a little MLPA on us because the fish counts are so low. Is there anything to this? I don't know. But I am honest about what I catch now. Keep or release. Better information is better for all.

06-04-2010, 03:57 PM	#24
sdfisher Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 179	I went fishing today with my buddy at mission bay for his b-day, the DFG guy came and I realized I did not have my license on me, the one time I forget it I get a ticket, and I have bought a license every year since I was 16... no animosity towards him, he was just doing his job, but there are a lot of scumbags out there who poach, fish with out licenses and follow none of the regs. bummer hopefully the fine will not be as much since I have a license. Lesson learned, do not even touch a pole if I do not have the L with me

06-04-2010, 08:21 PM	#28
GregAndrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,384	Yes, a net is required by the DFG. It is supposed to have an opening of at least 18 inches. In practicality though, they rarely ask if you have one and really do not care if it is a bit smaller than 18 inches. I don't think that the DFG will enforce the PFD requirement, but the Coast Guard and Harbor Police can and do. I am fairly certain that a single white light is required on your yak at night, but also not enforced by the DFG.

06-05-2010, 06:54 AM	#30
Hunters Pa Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fullerton Posts: 1,358	Pretty sure the net is a requirement, which is why I bought the folding Promar. Makes you compliant. I'll look for the reg later today if the kids let me

06-05-2010, 06:14 PM	#31
bubblehide Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 552	I also like to see the DFG out there and feel like my license money is being utilized appropriately when there out there; only problem is that I hardly ever bump into them. But considering their proportion to the population hardly seeing them is understandable, there low numbers are not. Years ago I had a few bad run-ins with a particular DFG officer; I was never in violation, so I was assertive but cooperative with him and everything always ended fine. But I would rather have them treat me (as they usually do) and anyone with dignity and respect until the situation calls for something different.

06-05-2010, 08:45 PM	#33
roadx . Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,155	2010-2011 regs for nets 28.55 or 28.27, respectively. (d) No gaff hook shall be used to take or assist in landing any finfish shorter than the minimum size limit. For the purpose of this section a gaff hook is any hook with or without a handle used to assist in landing fish or to take fish in such a manner that the fish does not take the hook voluntarily in its mouth. No person shall take finfish from any boat or other floating device in ocean waters without having a landing net in possession or available for immediate use to assist in landing undersize fish of species having minimum size limits; the opening of any such landing net shall be not less than eighteen inches in diameter.

06-05-2010, 10:29 PM	#34
danny Danny Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 70	The DFG here is not bad at all. The ones in WA state suck just plan a holes. I had never been fishing there and was trying to catch a trout and got a ticket for salmon. I was at fort lewis and had never fished there before. The guys here are great I have got some great tips from them. They are state workers and have plenty to be pissed about.

06-07-2010, 11:36 AM	#40
Drew Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 45	I was checked yesterday after scuba diving in the LJ Cove. He checked my weight pockets, probably looking for shells? Abalone? I did see 3 abs - all more than 12" across...mmmmmmm. I'm always open and helpful with these checks - it's like others have said. I follow the rules and want them to find the bad guys. After the check he was very friendly, shared some chatter about the red tide and other dive locations he's seen that were cleaner than the shores. By the by - the cove dive was good - open vis and no red tide around the corner near boomers. Hospitals was clear on Thursday but covered when we checked it Saturday. Anyone seen Cardiff? Is it clear?