The DEATH of a SPECIES - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

PapaDave · 10-09-2017, 06:12 AM

It's only going to get worse, there are too many people and still growing. Water, food, area, all are going to be consumed.

How else do you feed 7.44 billion people? This site shows just a few stats about what we people use...

http://www.theworldcounts.com/counte...ion_statistics

Try to imagine 250 million pound of meat, then try to imagine where it comes from and how much it takes to produce it. The numbers are staggering. I don't even know how we can produce what/where we do, let alone what will be needed in the future.

So we all sit in front of our TV's watching football games, mini-series, and the rest while eating snacks or chowing down on some burgers or steaks. We are raping the planet and ignoring the fact that we do.

I could go on but why bother....

kirkdavis · 10-09-2017, 07:24 AM

We did the same thing to the bison, whales, and to a lesser extent elk, turkey, deer, etc. We have learned from our mistakes, but when we try to point it our to other people, they say "what makes you so special? Who do you think you are to tell us what to do with our natural resources?" It is a tough nut to crack.
The mentality is different. The people who are doing the actual poaching are just trying to make a living. The middlemen in many cases are the ones making the profit.

jpp9565 · 10-09-2017, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kirkdavis

We did the same thing to the bison, whales, and to a lesser extent elk, turkey, deer, etc. We have learned from our mistakes, but when we try to point it our to other people, they say "what makes you so special? Who do you think you are to tell us what to do with our natural resources?" It is a tough nut to crack.
The mentality is different. The people who are doing the actual poaching are just trying to make a living. The middlemen in many cases are the ones making the profit.

Don't forget the Indians.

iethinker · 10-10-2017, 05:57 PM

UH...Cute little fellows those Vaquita....there may be a chance for them yet!

"You think man can destroy the planet? What intoxicating vanity. Let me tell you about our planet. Earth is four-and-a-half-billion-years-old. There's been life on it for nearly that long, 3.8 billion years. Bacteria first; later the first multicellular life, then the first complex creatures in the sea, on the land.

Then finally the great sweeping ages of animals, the amphibians, the dinosaurs, at last the mammals, each one enduring millions on millions of years, great dynasties of creatures rising, flourishing, dying away -- all this against a background of continuous and violent upheaval. Mountain ranges thrust up, eroded away, cometary impacts, volcano eruptions, oceans rising and falling, whole continents moving, an endless, constant, violent change, colliding, buckling to make mountains over millions of years.

Earth has survived everything in its time. It will certainly survive us. If all the nuclear weapons in the world went off at once and all the plants, all the animals died and the earth was sizzling hot for a hundred thousand years, life would survive, somewhere: under the soil, frozen in Arctic ice. Sooner or later, when the planet was no longer inhospitable, life would spread again. The evolutionary process would begin again. It might take a few billion years for life to regain its present variety.

Of course, it would be very different from what it is now, but the earth would survive our folly, only we would not. If the ozone layer gets thinner, ultraviolet radiation sears the earth, so what? Ultraviolet radiation is good for life. It's powerful energy. It promotes mutation, change. Many forms of life will thrive with more UV radiation. Many others will die out. Do you think this is the first time that's happened? Think about oxygen. Necessary for life now, but oxygen is actually a metabolic poison, a corrosive glass, like fluorine.

When oxygen was first produced as a waste product by certain plant cells some three billion years ago, it created a crisis for all other life on earth. Those plants were polluting the environment, exhaling a lethal gas. Earth eventually had an atmosphere incompatible with life. Nevertheless, life on earth took care of itself. In the thinking of the human being a hundred years is a long time.

A hundred years ago we didn't have cars, airplanes, computers or vaccines. It was a whole different world, but to the earth, a hundred years is nothing. A million years is nothing. This planet lives and breathes on a much vaster scale. We can't imagine its slow and powerful rhythms, and we haven't got the humility to try. We've been residents here for the blink of an eye. If we're gone tomorrow, the earth will not miss us."

Michael Crichton
Prologue to Jurassic Park

monstahfish · 10-12-2017, 05:55 AM

While it is true, life will find a way, do we really want to be the only species to ever cause a mass extinction? I don't want to go down like that, yet it's happening and congress and the executive are pushing it along screaming "drill baby drill" and working to repeal parts of the endangered species and antiquities acts. As fishermen, we should be voting to preserve our fisheries and environment or there will be nothing left to fish for for your kids or grandkids.

Mahigeer · 10-12-2017, 07:52 AM

We can also make sure that we ourselves do not keep more than we need or allowed.

makobob · 10-12-2017, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Mahigeer

We can also make sure that we ourselves do not keep more than we need or allowed.

In mako-ville, almost all of us fish for sport, taking fish for lunch or dinner that day. Those who do take fish home take a reasonable amount, vacuum bag it and freeze it so they have the best possible quality. That is what I consider sustainable. Our seas are the life blood of our planet, we need to preserve them. Let us keep paradise a PARADISE. Tight Lines all.

King Saba · 10-09-2017, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kirkdavis

We did the same thing to the bison, whales, and to a lesser extent elk, turkey, deer, etc. We have learned from our mistakes, but when we try to point it our to other people, they say "what makes you so special? Who do you think you are to tell us what to do with our natural resources?" It is a tough nut to crack.
The mentality is different. The people who are doing the actual poaching are just trying to make a living. The middlemen in many cases are the ones making the profit.

As long as there's money attached to our problems these problems will continue to exist. Greed will be the end of all life.

driftwood · 10-09-2017, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PapaDave

It's only going to get worse, there are too many people and still growing. Water, food, area, all are going to be consumed.

How else do you feed 7.44 billion people? This site shows just a few stats about what we people use...

http://www.theworldcounts.com/counte...ion_statistics

Try to imagine 250 million pound of meat, then try to imagine where it comes from and how much it takes to produce it. The numbers are staggering. I don't even know how we can produce what/where we do, let alone what will be needed in the future.

So we all sit in front of our TV's watching football games, mini-series, and the rest while eating snacks or chowing down on some burgers or steaks. We are raping the planet and ignoring the fact that we do.

I could go on but why bother....

makobob · 10-09-2017, 10:00 AM

The way we are going it will finally come down to just one thing............................................. .................................................. .........PEOPLE EATING PEOPLE. That is the end result. And WE are doing it to ourselves. So AGAIN I ask what can we do about it. The answer is out there, we just need to find it. Thanks amigos.

DanaPT · 10-09-2017, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by makobob

The way we are going it will finally come down to just one thing............................................. .................................................. .........PEOPLE EATING PEOPLE. That is the end result. And WE are doing it to ourselves. So AGAIN I ask what can we do about it. The answer is out there, we just need to find it. Thanks amigos.

I've started on my personal Farm to table solution, won't be fully enough, but I haven't bought veggies all summer.

The answer is out there. Smart people are working on feeding the 7 billion people.

https://goo.gl/GZCCHY

I guess so long as you don't mind beef, fish, or chicken from a lab, then no problems. Otherwise, better raise it yourself.

How would an AP system work out in Mako-ville?

makobob · 10-09-2017, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaPT

I've started on my personal Farm to table solution, won't be fully enough, but I haven't bought veggies all summer.

The answer is out there. Smart people are working on feeding the 7 billion people.

https://goo.gl/GZCCHY

I guess so long as you don't mind beef, fish, or chicken from a lab, then no problems. Otherwise, better raise it yourself.

How would an AP system work out in Mako-ville?

We are in the middle of the desert on the SEA of Cortez but I am looking into it. Thanks.

socal.beach.bum · 10-09-2017, 11:41 AM

Harsh truth, there are just too many people on this planet. Plagues, famine, natural disasters are just ways for this planet to try and self regulate. Unfortunately the way things are, the human species probably has less than 1000 years left on this planet. Existinction isn't only for lower apex animals, we are on that list too, we just don't have the awareness to recognize it.

Baja_Traveler · 10-09-2017, 12:43 PM

Aquaponics would work great in Mako-Ville. Pick up a few IBC containers in San Felipe and make an easy conversion for the system. It would have to be placed under shade cloth so it all does not cook in the sun. If you used tilapia as your nitrogen source they could handle the slightly brackish well water, might have to see what the tolerance of the selected plants are though. It could only be pulled off if you lived there full time to take care of it though...

10-09-2017, 06:12 AM	#1
PapaDave Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Menifee, CA Posts: 1,460	It's only going to get worse, there are too many people and still growing. Water, food, area, all are going to be consumed. How else do you feed 7.44 billion people? This site shows just a few stats about what we people use... http://www.theworldcounts.com/counte...ion_statistics Try to imagine 250 million pound of meat, then try to imagine where it comes from and how much it takes to produce it. The numbers are staggering. I don't even know how we can produce what/where we do, let alone what will be needed in the future. So we all sit in front of our TV's watching football games, mini-series, and the rest while eating snacks or chowing down on some burgers or steaks. We are raping the planet and ignoring the fact that we do. I could go on but why bother.... __________________ So long and thanks for all the fish...

10-09-2017, 07:24 AM	#2
kirkdavis Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: SD County Posts: 360	Part of the problem We did the same thing to the bison, whales, and to a lesser extent elk, turkey, deer, etc. We have learned from our mistakes, but when we try to point it our to other people, they say "what makes you so special? Who do you think you are to tell us what to do with our natural resources?" It is a tough nut to crack. The mentality is different. The people who are doing the actual poaching are just trying to make a living. The middlemen in many cases are the ones making the profit.

10-10-2017, 05:57 PM	#4
iethinker Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Inland Empire Posts: 370	I can't respond better than this... UH...Cute little fellows those Vaquita....there may be a chance for them yet! "You think man can destroy the planet? What intoxicating vanity. Let me tell you about our planet. Earth is four-and-a-half-billion-years-old. There's been life on it for nearly that long, 3.8 billion years. Bacteria first; later the first multicellular life, then the first complex creatures in the sea, on the land. Then finally the great sweeping ages of animals, the amphibians, the dinosaurs, at last the mammals, each one enduring millions on millions of years, great dynasties of creatures rising, flourishing, dying away -- all this against a background of continuous and violent upheaval. Mountain ranges thrust up, eroded away, cometary impacts, volcano eruptions, oceans rising and falling, whole continents moving, an endless, constant, violent change, colliding, buckling to make mountains over millions of years. Earth has survived everything in its time. It will certainly survive us. If all the nuclear weapons in the world went off at once and all the plants, all the animals died and the earth was sizzling hot for a hundred thousand years, life would survive, somewhere: under the soil, frozen in Arctic ice. Sooner or later, when the planet was no longer inhospitable, life would spread again. The evolutionary process would begin again. It might take a few billion years for life to regain its present variety. Of course, it would be very different from what it is now, but the earth would survive our folly, only we would not. If the ozone layer gets thinner, ultraviolet radiation sears the earth, so what? Ultraviolet radiation is good for life. It's powerful energy. It promotes mutation, change. Many forms of life will thrive with more UV radiation. Many others will die out. Do you think this is the first time that's happened? Think about oxygen. Necessary for life now, but oxygen is actually a metabolic poison, a corrosive glass, like fluorine. When oxygen was first produced as a waste product by certain plant cells some three billion years ago, it created a crisis for all other life on earth. Those plants were polluting the environment, exhaling a lethal gas. Earth eventually had an atmosphere incompatible with life. Nevertheless, life on earth took care of itself. In the thinking of the human being a hundred years is a long time. A hundred years ago we didn't have cars, airplanes, computers or vaccines. It was a whole different world, but to the earth, a hundred years is nothing. A million years is nothing. This planet lives and breathes on a much vaster scale. We can't imagine its slow and powerful rhythms, and we haven't got the humility to try. We've been residents here for the blink of an eye. If we're gone tomorrow, the earth will not miss us." Michael Crichton Prologue to Jurassic Park

10-09-2017, 10:00 AM	#10
makobob Baitless on Baja Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vista California, Gonzaga, San Quintin, Asuncion, Mag Bay Posts: 4,250	The way we are going it will finally come down to just one thing............................................. .................................................. .........PEOPLE EATING PEOPLE. That is the end result. And WE are doing it to ourselves. So AGAIN I ask what can we do about it. The answer is out there, we just need to find it. Thanks amigos. __________________ http://www.mako-ville.com Home 760-630-4470 Cell 760-520-2514 YES YOU CAN

10-12-2017, 05:55 AM	#5
monstahfish Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 406	While it is true, life will find a way, do we really want to be the only species to ever cause a mass extinction? I don't want to go down like that, yet it's happening and congress and the executive are pushing it along screaming "drill baby drill" and working to repeal parts of the endangered species and antiquities acts. As fishermen, we should be voting to preserve our fisheries and environment or there will be nothing left to fish for for your kids or grandkids.

10-12-2017, 07:52 AM	#6
Mahigeer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,863	We can also make sure that we ourselves do not keep more than we need or allowed.

10-09-2017, 11:41 AM	#13
socal.beach.bum Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Palos Verde, CA Posts: 636	Harsh truth, there are just too many people on this planet. Plagues, famine, natural disasters are just ways for this planet to try and self regulate. Unfortunately the way things are, the human species probably has less than 1000 years left on this planet. Existinction isn't only for lower apex animals, we are on that list too, we just don't have the awareness to recognize it.

10-09-2017, 12:43 PM	#14
Baja_Traveler Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Table 17, Bay Park Fish Co. Posts: 943	Aquaponics would work great in Mako-Ville. Pick up a few IBC containers in San Felipe and make an easy conversion for the system. It would have to be placed under shade cloth so it all does not cook in the sun. If you used tilapia as your nitrogen source they could handle the slightly brackish well water, might have to see what the tolerance of the selected plants are though. It could only be pulled off if you lived there full time to take care of it though...