Marine glue - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

JOSER85 · 02-14-2011, 02:56 PM

I getting ready to install my bait pump into my Steath 12. but I am new to this and not sure what type of glue to use.

steveooo · 02-14-2011, 03:18 PM

3M 5200 fast cure. Wear gloves.

Jimmyz123 · 02-14-2011, 03:29 PM

I am a big fan of Marine Goop, OEX has it. I've searched Home Depot, Dixiline, and Lowes and none of the others have it. Steve, is 3M 5200 better? I'd be willing to try that also.

tagyak · 02-14-2011, 03:33 PM

i have also found marine goop at true value hardware stores and west marine. it is something that is not found in every hardware stores; go figure

onetriphudson · 02-14-2011, 03:58 PM

This last week I installed a FF using 3M 5200 and was really surprised that it has taken 5 full days to set. The 5200 was still tacky as of yesterday afternoon and I put it on last Thursday. I'm hoping that it will be completely cured by this evening so that I can put the kayak in it's rack. The label says it should cure in 24 hours but it was still just goo. This is after I dragged the kayak into the yard Saturday so it would get air, and then when I moved it (delicately) back into the garage that evening I put a fan blowing air through it (just in case this was an issue with circulation). This was a sponge mount cut-away method for the transducer thru-hull.

I used 5200 on a Prowler 13 FF install a few years back and don't remember it taking this long.

tunaseeker · 02-14-2011, 04:16 PM

West Marine carries an epoxy that is made for polyethylene repairs but it does require that you heat treat the surface. I just used this to put in an automati bilge pump made by Whale. Cost 20$ but get about a large syringe full (2 parts). Yellow and white package. Just my2cents

wiredantz · 02-14-2011, 05:30 PM

Have OEX do it, or else you will sink your new boat.

Fiskadoro · 02-15-2011, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onetriphudson

This last week I installed a FF using 3M 5200 and was really surprised that it has taken 5 full days to set.

5200 is the standard 4200 is the faster drying version but they both dry slow. Longer it takes to dry the stronger it bonds.

Jim

onetriphudson · 02-15-2011, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Day

5200 is the standard 4200 is the faster drying version but they both dry slow. Longer it takes to dry the stronger it bonds.

Jim

That's what I was hoping / assuming... as of last night (5th full day) it seemed pretty cured and quite solid.

steveooo · 02-14-2011, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmyz123

I am a big fan of Marine Goop, OEX has it. I've searched Home Depot, Dixiline, and Lowes and none of the others have it. Steve, is 3M 5200 better? I'd be willing to try that also.

They are both good.

I like Goop for pretty much everything. Its easy to use, its is temperature resistant, inexpensive, its tensile strength is waaaay higher than the 5200 (3500 psi vs 600 psi) and it stretches 600% when cured, with is perfect for kayaks which flex and expand and contract all day.

There are pretty much only 2 formulas for Goop. The ones with a UV inhibitor, and those without. While you may not be able to find Marine Goop @ Every home Depot or Lowes, they all usually carry a UV resistant formula of Goop- Lawn and Garden usually. However, I think its way cooler to support the local guys. Price is good too.

http://www.kayakfishingsupplies.com/...ne-GOOP/Detail

If you want something that specifically says "For use on through hull connections below the water line", 5200 is for you. I've done through hull pumps with both Goop, and the 5200, and I've never had a single drop leak with either.

Prep is key for both. Sanding the area you are working on with a coarse grit sandpaper will be sufficient. Some yaks will require more sanding than others, because they have an agent left on them that help release them from the molds they are made on. Just make sure it feels rough, and you'll be fine. I've had to sell several yaks with the transducer still installed because I literally could not remove it from the goop on the yak. The plastic of the yak was breaking before the goop was giving.

I wouldn't use any hard epoxies on a yak. They move too much, and anything brittle will fail over time.

Keep in mind. The threads of the pump and connection are actually making the compression of the connection and holding everything together, the Goop or 5200 is just there to seal the small stuff. Measure 2X, cut once is very important. Make sure you have a snug fit, especially for something below the waterline. I'm pretty sure my through hull 'ducer would be bone dry, even without the 5200 globed all over it.

With all this in mind, If in doubt, let the Pro's @ OEX do it. You don't want to have even a little bit of doubt about the safety of your yak when you are a few miles out. If you are new to this game, I'd especially recommend taking it in to the guys @ OEX to have it done right the first time.

Geez, did I just write all that? Fook, its time to go fishing!

ctrujillo · 02-14-2011, 08:46 PM

i use plumbers goop from home depot.works good and inexpensive

bubblehide · 02-14-2011, 11:10 PM

3M 5200 is specifically intended for marine applications, it's the traditional go to in the yachting community, sticks to almost anything, is completely waterproof, and stands the test of time.

OUTBACK SPECIAL · 02-15-2011, 05:53 AM

Make sure you cut the pump shaft short enough that the strainer doesn't bottom out. Use marine goop to fill the recessed area of the strainer it will not leak.

Jimmyz123 · 02-15-2011, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steveooo

http://www.kayakfishingsupplies.com/...ne-GOOP/Detail

With all this in mind, If in doubt, let the Pro's @ OEX do it. You don't want to have even a little bit of doubt about the safety of your yak when you are a few miles out. If you are new to this game, I'd especially recommend taking it in to the guys @ OEX to have it done right the first time.

Geez, did I just write all that? Fook, its time to go fishing!

When I did my search for the Marine Goop and didn't find it anywhere but at OEX, that's when I decided to save time, gas, and money by taking ALL of my Kayaking Needs to OEX. I know I can stop in there Friday's after my staff meetings and pick up things I need and I know that it's designed for Kayaks. You can cut corners all you want, but I'd rather do it right the first time and feel safer on the water.

JOSER85 · 02-15-2011, 10:51 AM

thanks everyone for your suggestions. I think I'm going to take it to OEX.

OUTBACK SPECIAL · 02-15-2011, 11:44 AM

It's pretty simple. Watch this a few times and you'll be doing it in your sleep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snGUpj2MAao

02-14-2011, 02:56 PM	#1
JOSER85 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 85	Marine glue I getting ready to install my bait pump into my Steath 12. but I am new to this and not sure what type of glue to use.

02-15-2011, 05:53 AM	#13
OUTBACK SPECIAL Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rancho Cucamonga Posts: 33	pump Make sure you cut the pump shaft short enough that the strainer doesn't bottom out. Use marine goop to fill the recessed area of the strainer it will not leak.

02-14-2011, 03:18 PM	#2
steveooo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,921	3M 5200 fast cure. Wear gloves.

02-14-2011, 03:29 PM	#3
Jimmyz123 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,385	I am a big fan of Marine Goop, OEX has it. I've searched Home Depot, Dixiline, and Lowes and none of the others have it. Steve, is 3M 5200 better? I'd be willing to try that also.

02-14-2011, 03:33 PM	#4
tagyak Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Alhambra Posts: 506	i have also found marine goop at true value hardware stores and west marine. it is something that is not found in every hardware stores; go figure

02-14-2011, 03:58 PM	#5
onetriphudson Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Carlsbad Posts: 143	This last week I installed a FF using 3M 5200 and was really surprised that it has taken 5 full days to set. The 5200 was still tacky as of yesterday afternoon and I put it on last Thursday. I'm hoping that it will be completely cured by this evening so that I can put the kayak in it's rack. The label says it should cure in 24 hours but it was still just goo. This is after I dragged the kayak into the yard Saturday so it would get air, and then when I moved it (delicately) back into the garage that evening I put a fan blowing air through it (just in case this was an issue with circulation). This was a sponge mount cut-away method for the transducer thru-hull. I used 5200 on a Prowler 13 FF install a few years back and don't remember it taking this long.

02-14-2011, 04:16 PM	#6
tunaseeker TB Metal Art Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 651	West Marine carries an epoxy that is made for polyethylene repairs but it does require that you heat treat the surface. I just used this to put in an automati bilge pump made by Whale. Cost 20$ but get about a large syringe full (2 parts). Yellow and white package. Just my2cents

02-14-2011, 05:30 PM	#7
wiredantz Currently @ MLO Territory Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Under the Shadow Posts: 2,290	Have OEX do it, or else you will sink your new boat.

02-14-2011, 08:46 PM	#11
ctrujillo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: garden grove Posts: 308	i use plumbers goop from home depot.works good and inexpensive

02-14-2011, 11:10 PM	#12
bubblehide Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 552	3M 5200 is specifically intended for marine applications, it's the traditional go to in the yachting community, sticks to almost anything, is completely waterproof, and stands the test of time.

02-15-2011, 10:51 AM	#15
JOSER85 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 85	thanks everyone for your suggestions. I think I'm going to take it to OEX.

02-15-2011, 11:44 AM	#16
OUTBACK SPECIAL Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rancho Cucamonga Posts: 33	It's pretty simple. Watch this a few times and you'll be doing it in your sleep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snGUpj2MAao