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Old 10-29-2009, 02:58 PM   #1
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Bump.

Guys, please cc or bcc Kayaker4prop2@gmail.com

I know it sounds big brotherish, but these comments are public comments to the BRTF. they will be made public anyways on the MLPA site. This is so we can get an idea of how many people are commenting, and more important so we know who has commented and who has not. We need to hold each other accountable here.

Saying you sent in a letter is way different than actually doing it.

I haven't sent my BRTF letter in yet. Still working on the details of it. I will make sure it is counted though.
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Old 10-29-2009, 03:07 PM   #2
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Bump.

Guys, please cc or bcc Kayaker4prop2@gmail.com

I know it sounds big brotherish, but these comments are public comments to the BRTF. they will be made public anyways on the MLPA site. This is so we can get an idea of how many people are commenting, and more important so we know who has commented and who has not. We need to hold each other accountable here.

Saying you sent in a letter is way different than actually doing it.

I haven't sent my BRTF letter in yet. Still working on the details of it. I will make sure it is counted though.
Also, our community need to have visibility on how many we sent in. I'm dubious of the current claim (given the huge number of fishermen who care and show up) that there are vastly more group 3 people writing in. We need evidence that we (group 2 supporters) sent in way more emails than they claim we did.

Most of the group 3 supporters are kids, for god's sake!

Keep CC'ing it to Kayaker4prop2@gmail.com everyone!
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Old 10-29-2009, 05:28 PM   #3
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Guys/Gals,

My generic message I wrote above is for your friends, co-workers, and family.... please see the guidelines, and write your own message! If you are short on time, then at least send that one!

Thank you!

don't forget to cc or bcc Kayaker4prop2@gmail.com
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Old 10-29-2009, 08:54 PM   #4
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So all that fish may understand...

For those that may have attended some of the meetings and the whole process seemed overwhelming, and to those who have not attended but paid close attention, and the process still seemed overwhelming...this is not a time to think that some of the people who are keeping you informed are going overboard, or a bit paranoid...

It is real.

My son and I have attended numerous meetings, and we have witnessed the game playing going on...from accusing us of wearing black shirts as intimidation, only to see them hand out shirts in blue at the next meetings, to bringing in school kids who are clueless about the process and instructing them on what to say.

There are so many people that are clueless to what is actually happening, it is funny how it is supposed to be a process with "extensive public input" yet the public is completely unaware.

I suggest you look at your email database, send all of your contacts a short letter with a link, and encourage them to respond before it becomes too late. Then have them do the same.

Will closures happen in a year or two? Who knows...but remember the old adage..."Give somebody an inch, and they will take a mile."

That is exactly what they plan to do.

Too many people have invested their time, their sick days, their vacation days, and countless frustrating hours to preserve your fishing rights...

DO NOT let them down when they need you the most.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:18 PM   #5
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Too many of you have done nothing. This forum has 2,871 members registered.

It would be a shame if we get outnumbered and outplayed because too many kayak fishermen and fisherwomen couldn't take the time to send an email. While I disagree with the Map 3 folks, I have to admire their tactics. Busing in hundreds of middle school children to fill half the Long Beach meeting with Map 3 t-shirts was brilliant. Disingenuous, but brilliant. Those same kids that are typically not familiar with the issues might be writing letters and emails. The pro Map 3 groups are leveraging their resources. Send an email and encourage your friends.

Here's mine if you want to borrow any part of it.

To: MLPAComments@resources.ca.gov
Subject: South Coast comment for BRTF
Cc: Kayaker4prop2@gmail.com

Dear Members of the Blue Ribbon Task Force,

I am writing in support of Map 2. I believe it has the appropriate balance of conservation and consumption, and it meets all of the science guidelines. The other proposals fall short of SAT guidelines (deep water rock and pinnacles at Del Mar) yet have a big impact on San Diego’s heritage of recreational fishing and it’s local fishing related economy. Map 2 has the most cross interest support, and the buy-in of consumptive fishermen. San Diego’s fishing community has a history of actively supporting conservation issues and enthusiastically following DFG regulations to manage the species. La Jolla is especially important to kayak anglers with it’s protected launch, and kayak anglers are environmentally friendly using human powered vessels. Please support Map 2 for the Southern California MLPA process.

Thank you,

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Old 10-29-2009, 10:35 PM   #6
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I spent the evening talking to a vip thats now in our corner. No names for now.
-I also just sent the Chairwoman a nice letter.

I asked the same thing as Dave a long time ago when I looked at the number of register members on BWE.
It doesn't take any effort at all to send a meaningful letter.

Some of us have given 100% toward this effort. The truth is that most of you will never know just how much behind the scenes effort, and sacrifice was made because these are modest people.

-The most respect you can show them is to act now, in these final days and send in your letter.
remember to CC Kayaker4prop2@gmail.com

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Old 10-30-2009, 06:53 AM   #7
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X 2 , this is good, please use this... if you havent emailed yet do so now! remember to CC Kayaker4prop2@gmail.com

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Too many of you have done nothing. This forum has 2,871 members registered.

It would be a shame if we get outnumbered and outplayed because too many kayak fishermen and fisherwomen couldn't take the time to send an email. While I disagree with the Map 3 folks, I have to admire their tactics. Busing in hundreds of middle school children to fill half the Long Beach meeting with Map 3 t-shirts was brilliant. Disingenuous, but brilliant. Those same kids that are typically not familiar with the issues might be writing letters and emails. The pro Map 3 groups are leveraging their resources. Send an email and encourage your friends.

Here's mine if you want to borrow any part of it.

To: MLPAComments@resources.ca.gov
Subject: South Coast comment for BRTF
Cc: Kayaker4prop2@gmail.com

Dear Members of the Blue Ribbon Task Force,

I am writing in support of Map 2. I believe it has the appropriate balance of conservation and consumption, and it meets all of the science guidelines. The other proposals fall short of SAT guidelines (deep water rock and pinnacles at Del Mar) yet have a big impact on San Diego’s heritage of recreational fishing and it’s local fishing related economy. Map 2 has the most cross interest support, and the buy-in of consumptive fishermen. San Diego’s fishing community has a history of actively supporting conservation issues and enthusiastically following DFG regulations to manage the species. La Jolla is especially important to kayak anglers with it’s protected launch, and kayak anglers are environmentally friendly using human powered vessels. Please support Map 2 for the Southern California MLPA process.

Thank you,

Your Name
Address
Phone Number
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Old 10-30-2009, 08:35 AM   #8
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Thanks Dave H. That is exactly why we are holding people accountable. In some ways we have too many members. Everyone just assumes their letter doesn't mean anything and enough of the other people will send one in since there are a lot of "other people" here.

Well, those others haven't been sending in letters so you need to. We are gettting screwed by our own apathy.
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