LJ 10/2 am DOGGED - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

ratdog · 10-02-2007, 03:12 PM

Lainched at 5:30am, no surf, no wind. When the sun came up there was light offshore wind not too much. Made SP Mk out in the kelp. Water was glassy and the current was north to south. Most of the morning I was the only one on the water with the exception of 1pber and a few lobster boats. Slowly trolled my way to the NW corner and back. Very annoying dogs followed me or tagged teamed me all morning. Eventually went with the irons so the dogs would leave me alone. all for nada. Off the water at 11am.

jscott · 10-02-2007, 04:26 PM

Last time I was out-- I had knothead really follow me around for almost 1hr! I think it was because when he stole a bait from me-- he came up and I growled at him and slapped my paddle at the water. I picked up all my lines and tried tossing irons AT HIM. One time-- he came pretty close to the yak-- underwater and I jabbed my paddle at him...I didn't reach him...but it just seemed to keep him coming. He followed me forever-- with no lines in the water...I kept paddling around and tossing irons. He would just follow behind slowly. Finally, I tied off to a bouy and dropped a piece of squid down with a 3oz sinker and figured I fish bottom until he left. He came up and snorted something loudly and left immediately. A few minutes later, since I didn't see him back-- I pulled up my squid, only to find a chunky sculpin on the end of it. It is possible that he went for the squid (or sculpin) and got stung! For sure-- that was the longest one followed me...I think I antogonized him by growling and paddle slapping-- so perhaps he became territorial. I couldn't even pass him off!

gary sullivan · 10-02-2007, 04:41 PM

I was recently going over some past posts and found one interesting on how to handle the dogs. Since they have become a major nuisance lately for everyone I think salting a mack's belly with a habenero chile or something equally potent would be in order.

Dean Machine · 10-02-2007, 05:01 PM

I like that idea. Perhaps 2 or more would be in order.

esdees · 10-02-2007, 06:02 PM

I may have finally found a good use for caribbean red peppers...

zeelaagee · 10-03-2007, 08:26 AM

i wonder how a nice fat wad of ExLax would work on knothead?

T-Rex · 10-06-2007, 01:33 PM

NOT!!!

lol lol lol picking up a wrist rocket tonight!

Adam · 10-06-2007, 01:50 PM

Just FYI, it is illegal to use seal bombs without a permit. I worked at a fisheries research institute tagging WSB and it was very difficult to get the seal bomb permit from DFG.

lamb · 10-07-2007, 08:45 PM

Good info.

Seals are a pain.

And they’re smart.

If we could just figure something out that’s not too harsh, but they dislike. Maybe they’d learn to leave us alone.

There’s definitely a lot of training these local LJ seals get. They seem smarter than the ones down in Baja. The ones down south can be pretty… dumb.

They go for your bait and get hooked more often than not. There seems to be a fewer number of them though (hmm, wonder why

).

They definitely seem to behave different in different places. The ones on San Pedro Island were leaving us alone, staying away. And there was a lot of them. We should have asked the pangeros what are they doing to them.

jscott · 10-08-2007, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by lamb

They definitely seem to behave different in different places.

I agree. In malibu-- I don't believe I have ever had a bait stolen by a dog. I only pick up my stringer if I am keeping bass or rockfish....but I have never had even close to an incident with that either. I see them all the time-- usually frolicking in the kelp==> they actually look cute to me. (Because they never steal my bait!) The LJ ones are just UGLY!

Definitely have been trained and no longer keep a safe distance away.

Handymansd · 10-08-2007, 08:10 AM

This guy is a friend of a friend, you should check this out!

http://www.californiapaddle.com/

He is using an electrical field of some kind on his board that apparently deters the smaller predators, sharks, seals etc.,and other nuisances. When he finishes his Trek from Canada to the Mexican border I will ask him more about it. Something like that might work, a taser, cattle prod, or even an electrical field designed to dissuade seals, and other predators. I think it only works within a few feet of his board though...hmmm....

Anyone want to meet up and paddle with him through La Jolla?

Jimm H · 10-18-2007, 07:41 AM

I heard somewhere that a small paper clip on the tail of the mac will not significantly limit its swim ability, but deter the dogs as they sense the metal somehow. I have noticed they don't ever take a bait with a stinger rigged in the tail. Haven't tried it yet, but it would be worth experimenting.

That would be a superior solution to a "stinger" hook.... you could handle your bait without sticking yourself.

10-02-2007, 03:12 PM	#1
ratdog Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 424	LJ 10/2 am DOGGED Lainched at 5:30am, no surf, no wind. When the sun came up there was light offshore wind not too much. Made SP Mk out in the kelp. Water was glassy and the current was north to south. Most of the morning I was the only one on the water with the exception of 1pber and a few lobster boats. Slowly trolled my way to the NW corner and back. Very annoying dogs followed me or tagged teamed me all morning. Eventually went with the irons so the dogs would leave me alone. all for nada. Off the water at 11am.

10-02-2007, 05:01 PM	#4
Dean Machine Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: San Clemente Posts: 162	I like that idea. Perhaps 2 or more would be in order. __________________ "Good luck and tight lines!"

10-03-2007, 08:26 AM	#6
zeelaagee Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Carlsbad Posts: 37	i wonder how a nice fat wad of ExLax would work on knothead? __________________ Totally addicted!!! Last edited by zeelaagee; 10-03-2007 at 08:26 AM. Reason: sp

10-07-2007, 08:45 PM	#9
lamb Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,563	Good info. Seals are a pain. And they’re smart. If we could just figure something out that’s not too harsh, but they dislike. Maybe they’d learn to leave us alone. There’s definitely a lot of training these local LJ seals get. They seem smarter than the ones down in Baja. The ones down south can be pretty… dumb. They go for your bait and get hooked more often than not. There seems to be a fewer number of them though (hmm, wonder why ). They definitely seem to behave different in different places. The ones on San Pedro Island were leaving us alone, staying away. And there was a lot of them. We should have asked the pangeros what are they doing to them. __________________ [------------------------ <)))< ....b-a-a-a-a

10-08-2007, 08:10 AM	#11
Handymansd Ancient Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: On The Water Posts: 935	This guy is a friend of a friend, you should check this out! http://www.californiapaddle.com/ He is using an electrical field of some kind on his board that apparently deters the smaller predators, sharks, seals etc.,and other nuisances. When he finishes his Trek from Canada to the Mexican border I will ask him more about it. Something like that might work, a taser, cattle prod, or even an electrical field designed to dissuade seals, and other predators. I think it only works within a few feet of his board though...hmmm.... Anyone want to meet up and paddle with him through La Jolla? __________________ All men are equal before fish. -Herbert Hoover

10-02-2007, 04:26 PM	#2
jscott Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 138	Last time I was out-- I had knothead really follow me around for almost 1hr! I think it was because when he stole a bait from me-- he came up and I growled at him and slapped my paddle at the water. I picked up all my lines and tried tossing irons AT HIM. One time-- he came pretty close to the yak-- underwater and I jabbed my paddle at him...I didn't reach him...but it just seemed to keep him coming. He followed me forever-- with no lines in the water...I kept paddling around and tossing irons. He would just follow behind slowly. Finally, I tied off to a bouy and dropped a piece of squid down with a 3oz sinker and figured I fish bottom until he left. He came up and snorted something loudly and left immediately. A few minutes later, since I didn't see him back-- I pulled up my squid, only to find a chunky sculpin on the end of it. It is possible that he went for the squid (or sculpin) and got stung! For sure-- that was the longest one followed me...I think I antogonized him by growling and paddle slapping-- so perhaps he became territorial. I couldn't even pass him off!

10-02-2007, 04:41 PM	#3
gary sullivan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: spring valley Posts: 191	I was recently going over some past posts and found one interesting on how to handle the dogs. Since they have become a major nuisance lately for everyone I think salting a mack's belly with a habenero chile or something equally potent would be in order.

10-02-2007, 06:02 PM	#5
esdees The Good Clone Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Clairemont Posts: 520	I may have finally found a good use for caribbean red peppers...

10-06-2007, 01:33 PM	#7
T-Rex Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 770	NOT!!! lol lol lol picking up a wrist rocket tonight!

10-06-2007, 01:50 PM	#8
Adam Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 27	Just FYI, it is illegal to use seal bombs without a permit. I worked at a fisheries research institute tagging WSB and it was very difficult to get the seal bomb permit from DFG.

10-18-2007, 07:41 AM	#12
Jimm H Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rancho Bernardo-San Diego Posts: 117	How about? I heard somewhere that a small paper clip on the tail of the mac will not significantly limit its swim ability, but deter the dogs as they sense the metal somehow. I have noticed they don't ever take a bait with a stinger rigged in the tail. Haven't tried it yet, but it would be worth experimenting. That would be a superior solution to a "stinger" hook.... you could handle your bait without sticking yourself.