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[alanw]

Originally Posted by Silbaugh4liberty

Lol......

http://thetruthwins.com/archives/72-...ment-documents

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Well apparently I'm on the list multiple times already, so what's one more gonna hurt?

[Silbaugh4liberty]

Originally Posted by alanw

Well apparently I'm on the list multiple times already, so what's one more gonna hurt?

Lol, no kidding. I probably cover at least half the list if not more!!!

#challengejurisdiction

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[wiredantz]

I think it's going to come down like this:

Information taken from another site:

If you read the law you will see the language is not legalese, but it is very clear and concise: Fishing is a stated absolute right. Meaning it is irrevocable. You can have free speech without a license, you can go to church without a license, Will you be stopped, harassed and even arrested, YES. Will you prevail in court if you cite you Federally and State protected priveleges, YES. Most cases challenged in this manner get thrown out of court in the interest of justice. There is a key statement that a person must make in court and it requires testosterone: Your Honor, I am here because of what is a clear and flagrant violation of my Federal civil right to freedom from unjust detention, equal protection under the law, and my black letter law State of California constitutional right to Fish. Your honor I remind the court that it is the sworn duty of every officer of this court to uphold and defend the Constitution of the State of California, and that there is no immunity for public officials who knowingly or unknowingly violate the civil and constitutional rights of the citizenry. Further Your Honor, I would like to state that such executive an judicial violations are classified as punishable incompatible activities for which a formal complaint can be filed and action taken against the offender. Your Honor I therefore motion the court to rule a factual finding of innocence and an order to all the parties taking action against me to expunge their records of as required by law under such a ruling. End of Statement. If you have testosterone to stand in court and make such a statement, you will enjoy a lifetime of fishing without a license and all your other rights that your grandfathers fought and died for you to keep. The easiest way about this though is to carry a copy of the constitution on your phone and show it to any game warden who attempts to deny you your absolute right to fish! You'll find that if you are polite, they will succumb, if they don't then start your speech (as stated above) and remind them of their sworn duty and how you will respond with an equal amount of paperwork for them violating your rights.

[Saba Slayer]

BLA BLA BLA BLA BLA...Now lets see one of you big talkers go without buying a fishing license...please post up photos and a description of your fun time spent in the court system. I'm sure you all bought and signed a fishing license.
By the way that "constitution stuff" worked really good for the lawyers during the MLPA closures...NOT...United Anglers is still paying the lawyers...!
Yea I know....you don't need lawyers and your going to handle it all yourself!
Frank...you seem so sure of your above statement to the court...have you tried it before or is this just something you've read on the internet from another site...?
:roll eyes:
Talk and internet posting is always easy to do...!
Let's see one of you jokers really step up and defend our fishing rights...I predict it won't happen...it will be nothing but HOT AIR once again...!!!!!!!!

[Silbaugh4liberty]

Originally Posted by wiredantz

I think it's going to come down like this:

Information taken from another site:

If you read the law you will see the language is not legalese, but it is very clear and concise: Fishing is a stated absolute right. Meaning it is irrevocable. You can have free speech without a license, you can go to church without a license, Will you be stopped, harassed and even arrested, YES. Will you prevail in court if you cite you Federally and State protected priveleges, YES. Most cases challenged in this manner get thrown out of court in the interest of justice. There is a key statement that a person must make in court and it requires testosterone: Your Honor, I am here because of what is a clear and flagrant violation of my Federal civil right to freedom from unjust detention, equal protection under the law, and my black letter law State of California constitutional right to Fish. Your honor I remind the court that it is the sworn duty of every officer of this court to uphold and defend the Constitution of the State of California, and that there is no immunity for public officials who knowingly or unknowingly violate the civil and constitutional rights of the citizenry. Further Your Honor, I would like to state that such executive an judicial violations are classified as punishable incompatible activities for which a formal complaint can be filed and action taken against the offender. Your Honor I therefore motion the court to rule a factual finding of innocence and an order to all the parties taking action against me to expunge their records of as required by law under such a ruling. End of Statement. If you have testosterone to stand in court and make such a statement, you will enjoy a lifetime of fishing without a license and all your other rights that your grandfathers fought and died for you to keep. The easiest way about this though is to carry a copy of the constitution on your phone and show it to any game warden who attempts to deny you your absolute right to fish! You'll find that if you are polite, they will succumb, if they don't then start your speech (as stated above) and remind them of their sworn duty and how you will respond with an equal amount of paperwork for them violating your rights.

That pretty damn good, I might have to plagiarize that!!! The only thing I would add before that is that I would make sure you're on the record ("you're honor is this a court of record"), if he says yes, then I would then state, " for the record, I reserve ALL RIGHTS, not to be bound by any written or unwritten contracts"! I said this one time, and the judge started clowning on me. Before I left court, I demanded a copy of the court minutes, and guess what, THEY RECORDED ON RECORD, ( Defendant reserves rights)!

After putting them on notice that you're reserving your rights, I would then steal your statement because it's really good, I like it.

I'm going to get going on drafting a motion to dismiss as well. This is something that you would first file in the DA's office, and then file a copy with the clerk of court. And most importantly have your own copy with stamps from each of those two offices. This makes it official when you motion to dismiss, and they HAVE TO address it since your paperwork is filed on record.

Good stuff Wiredantz, I dig it!!!

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[Saba Slayer]

OK...so just imagine you figured out how to go fishing without buying a license...now the DFW is cash strapped because no one is buying a license anymore to legally fish...so there is no more cash to hire DFW Wardens to enforce the F & G laws...they have no money for computers, weapons, vehicles, or vessels to protect the resource...DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT COMMON FOLKS WILL BE GOOD PROTECTORS OF THE RESOURCE???
HELL NO... THEY WILL RAPE AND PLUNDER UNTILL THERE ARE ONLY SEA CUCUMBERS AND KELP IN THE OCEAN...HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE "TRAGEDY OF THE COMMONS" ?
The amount of poaching that goes on now is unreal...could you imagine it without Wardens?
GET REAL AND QUITE LIVING IN YOUR PRETEND ANARCHY WORLD...!
Please tell me how this will be a better state of affairs than buying a damn license and obeying a few rules to support the resource and habitat...?
No BS...just concrete facts...!

[Saba Slayer]

The tragedy of the commons is an economic theory of a situation within a shared-resource system where individual users acting independently according to their own self-interest behave contrary to the common good of all users by depleting that resource through their collective action.

[Harry Hill]

Originally Posted by Saba Slayer

The tragedy of the commons is an economic theory of a situation within a shared-resource system where individual users acting independently according to their own self-interest behave contrary to the common good of all users by depleting that resource through their collective action.

isn't the common name for that congress?

[Silbaugh4liberty]

Originally Posted by Saba Slayer

OK...so just imagine you figured out how to go fishing without buying a license...now the DFW is cash strapped because no one is buying a license anymore to legally fish...so there is no more cash to hire DFW Wardens to enforce the F & G laws...they have no money for computers, weapons, vehicles, or vessels to protect the resource...DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT COMMON FOLKS WILL BE GOOD PROTECTORS OF THE RESOURCE???
HELL NO... THEY WILL RAPE AND PLUNDER UNTILL THERE ARE ONLY SEA CUCUMBERS AND KELP IN THE OCEAN...HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE "TRAGEDY OF THE COMMONS" ?
The amount of poaching that goes on now is unreal...could you imagine it without Wardens?
GET REAL AND QUITE LIVING IN YOUR PRETEND ANARCHY WORLD...!
Please tell me how this will be a better state of affairs than buying a damn license and obeying a few rules to support the resource and habitat...?
No BS...just concrete facts...!

Jim, I am so sorry, you're absolutely correct. The DFG is sooooo cash strapped, that they're even hiring NEW OFFICERS!! Because that makes complete economic sense from a business prospective right?

Second, you're basically assuming that we as a recreational fishing community sucks, and we don't give two shits about our fishing resource. Please correct me if I'm wrong. If you can’t trust ordinary people not to victimize each other or our resources, how can you trust the state not to victimize us all or our resources? Are the people who get into power so unselfish, so dedicated, so superior to the ones they rule? The more you distrust your fellows, the more reason there is for you to become an anarchist. Under anarchy, power is reduced and spread around. Everybody has some, but nobody has very much. Under the state, power is concentrated, and most people have none, really. Which kind of power would you like to go up against?

Just FYI JIM, "Tragedy of the Commons" is an economic "THEORY". Definition of Theory= a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained. Key words, (ideas, independent, to be explained). I didn't see: Facts, research, proof, results in there at all. Not to mention that it's a theory from someone with a degree in political science who spent their entire career teaching in colleges, so I'm sure she has a TON of experience with the wildlife. What I don't understand is why people think Anarchy is some fantasy, yet we participate in voluntary activities on a daily basis without the threat of force from government. And at the same time act as hypocrites, stating some THEORY as if its some sort of fact?? So please, stop acting like we're all a bunch of pirates raping the booty of the sea. If anything, it's the Commercial Anglers who are fucking up our resources, not the recreational guys.

A perfect example of communities who work together to protect their local resource can be seen on two episodes of Local Knowledge when they go down to Mexico, and learn that they protect their grouper, and have abalone collectives. Also, if the DFG cared about educating anglers, then why isn't there any required classes before getting the license? There are required classes before getting your hunting license, but not fishing. Why is that? You're connected with the DFG people right? Ask them that next meeting. Don't you agree that we could better protect our resources with knowledge, instead of GUNS? I know, because us fishermen are pretty damn scary.

You want some facts?? The first fishing licenses were issued in China in 1765! Before the chinese government stepping in, we had almost ZERO FISH in the ocean, thank god for the government and fishing licenses,

So let me ask, are we going to need to wait another 5 years for the "cash strapped" DFG to do some research on their MLPA's?? Us recreational anglers have yet to see any "FACTS" thus far. And we have YET to see the financials on how much of the license fee's are put back into the resources. Are we just supposed to blindly believe that it is, especially when the DFG reneged on the MLPA deal?

Do you honestly think the government gives a damn about our natural resources??

Here's a list of government's achievments:
1) 110,000 containers of nuclear/radioactive waste dumped into the ocean
2) mining has produced a legacy of toxicity–mercury, arsenic, cyanide, cadmium, lead, and zinc into fishing rivers
3) fracking’s toxic wastes stay in the ground and seep into aquifers, destroying the water supply
4) America’s Campaign to Eradicate the Wolf
5) Nonfarm citizens also have their water costs subsidized by people in other parts of the country. Dam construction and artificial waterways designed to transport that water enable people to populate such arid regions as Arizona and southern California->encouraging settlement of these areas at a higher level than would otherwise occur.
6) Death of whales, dolphins and other marine life, the use of underwater sonar by the U.S. Navy
7) Oil spills- yet we continue ocean drilling, and shipping of oil (even though healthy natural resources that are renewable remain outlawed due to power of the oil monopolies)
8) It is estimated that40% of the area of the oceans is severely degraded by human activities (COMMERCIAL FISHING)
9) Fertile lands have been transformed into highways, grazing fields, residences and commercial centers, AND non-fertile lands are turned into farms artificially greatly consuming water in great measures hurting fish and other natural resources
10) Exporting California water to China, amid a drastic drought (crony capitalism caused by government subsidies and intervention)

Honestly, I could probably make a book out of the information showing how Government is NOT the answer to protecting our natural resources, and how they honestly don't give a damn. But I'm sure all Government worshippers out there will just keep telling me to obey their arbitrary laws, and pay them to participate in my God given, Constitutionally protected rights.

Just remember, if you use the State as a measure of ethics, you're going to be disappointed every time. (slavery and genocide have been legal by governments in recent past).


http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014...68563658319196
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-onc...source/5320469
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/the-w...the-wolf/4312/
https://fee.org/articles/government-...e-environment/
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ry-sonar-kill/
http://www1.american.edu/ted/project...s/xoilpr15.htm
http://www.academia.edu/3266058/DEPL...E_PLANET_EARTH
http://www.brighthub.com/environment...les/68899.aspx
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26124989

[wiredantz]

I don't think it's right, that they issue citations when it our California freedom and right to fish. ESPECIALLY SINCE THIS Fishing license is illegal.


For 2017 what I might do is buy the license and won't sign it, and go from there.
Just because if this gets out of hand they may close the fish hatcheries because the state can't manage their money.



I also dont want some unemployed disgrunteled warden to follow me home and kill me, because he doesn't have a job anymore. Or worse run me over with their boat. Some wardens can get all up and mighty on you, for being defiant.


But if anyone forgets there fishing license, this might be a good start. My court date will come, but choose your battles wisely.

BTW I think I am owed an annual fish pass as a remedy to shut me up.



I remember there was a town in northern California where a fire department was collecting an illegal fire fee and making it mandatory. One dude decided not to pay, his house caught on fire. Fire department never showed up.

So in other words fish and game might not look too kindly on this.


I will respectfully fight for my rights as a CA born citizen, and fight for my legal righs on a fish less day or maybe I'll start the next Ceaser Chavez movement and start the Nacho Libre fishing right activist group.

Anyways tight lines....

Thanks for informing me of my rights, I'll use when I need it.

[Orca Winfrey]

Originally Posted by Saba Slayer

OK...so just imagine you figured out how to go fishing without buying a license...now the DFW is cash strapped because no one is buying a license anymore to legally fish...so there is no more cash to hire DFW Wardens to enforce the F & G laws...they have no money for computers, weapons, vehicles, or vessels to protect the resource...DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT COMMON FOLKS WILL BE GOOD PROTECTORS OF THE RESOURCE???
HELL NO... THEY WILL RAPE AND PLUNDER UNTILL THERE ARE ONLY SEA CUCUMBERS AND KELP IN THE OCEAN...HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE "TRAGEDY OF THE COMMONS" ?
The amount of poaching that goes on now is unreal...could you imagine it without Wardens?
GET REAL AND QUITE LIVING IN YOUR PRETEND ANARCHY WORLD...!
Please tell me how this will be a better state of affairs than buying a damn license and obeying a few rules to support the resource and habitat...?
No BS...just concrete facts...!

Tragedy of the commons. I haven't heard that term since freshman biology. I understand the posters that feel we are being screwed by The Man but I'm old enough to have fished cattle boats and piers since the 70s. Those were boom times for fish takes. We brought home gunny sacks full of sandbass and calicos. They would bite on anything. The size limit was 12" and the take limit was 10 but there was never a warden in sight so...... On the piers, it was "kill them all". I stopped fishing during the lat 80s and 90s but when I started fishing again, it was depressing to see how decimated the stock was. It has come back some but it's nowhere where it was in the days that we kept everything. Anyways, though I do not like an excess intervention of government, I also feel a lack of oversight will allow A-holes to rape and pillage because I've seen it first hand. That being said, as far as I can tell, everyone on this site seems to be a responsible steward of our fish. I think it's primarily the a-holes that are causing the increase in regulations.
Ps. I do feel that the MLPA zones were an environmentalist snow job and that severly restricting commercial fishing or making them C&R only zones would have been an acceptable compromise.

[Saba Slayer]

BLA BLA BLA...please get back to me on this once you guys stop buying a California Fishing License and test your theory...until then it's all BS...and it's nothing but talk!!!
And talk is CHEAP...!