Fishing Conditions- how much do you overthink your trip? - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Saba Slayer · 10-24-2017, 06:48 PM

Fish when you can.... don't overthink it...It's all about time on the water...

Hunters Pa · 10-24-2017, 06:56 PM

If the stars align and I have the rare open window of time I go. Conditions will determine where. Catching something is a bonus. As Jim said, it's all about time on the water, away from the office, todo list and whatever obnoxious show the kids have on the tv.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my kids activities. I'm doing as much as I can with them while they still tolerate me around

ProfessorLongArms · 10-24-2017, 07:31 PM

Let me be clear-I am totally appreciative of the notion of just going fishing whenever I can find time. This is more theoretical question than something I would ever let keep me off the water.

Much as I’ve always heard people talk about it in passing, I’m just more curious if anyone looks at that kind of stuff with any real sense of conviction

goldenglory18 · 10-25-2017, 05:59 AM

I look at it, partially from a scientific standpoint (I'm a curious analytical type) and partially from a comfort and safety standpoint. For me, there are two types of "fishing days"

1) Bay/Marina - If the surf is up, and the intervals are short, then its probably going to be safer to stay inside a protected area. If I make that call, then I'm looking at change of tide (water movement.) Still water to me is dead water. What I fish for, in the size I'm looking for, I almost never find in still water. Days like this I find more numbers, less quality fish.

2) Open water (outside a breakwall or surf launch) - This is when the swell is low, or the intervals are long. Wind is rarely an issue in this situation so I then feel "safe" to venture out to more open and unprotected water. I pay less attention to the tide in these situations and more to weather (any risk of adverse conditions) and water conditions (temp, clarity, depth, etc.) This is when I tend to catch higher quality, but less in quantity.

Disclaimer: I've only surf launched once, and that was with the help of an experienced hand. When I look at conditions now, its to see the wave/swell height, and to see the lag between sets. From my minimal understanding of "surf launching" for a newbie, I'm looking for low wind, low swell/wave height and longer intervals/sets. YMMV.....

- Kenny

Saba Slayer · 10-25-2017, 07:09 AM

Read last weeks article in the Western Outdoor News. Full Moon or New Moon?
It's in the in the "Long Range Season Primer" insert...
Frank LoPreste said..."Sometimes I get really close to thinking the whole moon phase thing is a bunch of hogwash. You can predict and plan a trip around the moon phase if you really want to but YOU CAN"T PREDICT THE CURRENTS. My feeling is just book your trips when it's most convenient.
Cast. Tim Ekstrom says..."But to throw a final wrench into the works, I have seen unbelievable fishing, coastal and offshore, unseat every theory and notion of what should be time and again...
Cast. Andy Cates Said..."You can't blame the full moon for slow fishing. We always tell people to book a trip that fits your schedule rather than trying to predict whether a moon phase is going to be better or worse. You pay your money and take your chance.
Cast. Kevin Osborn says..."My advise is to pick a good time for your fishing vacation and get out there...The single most important factor is current..."
Capt. Jeff DeBuys said..."...but just when you think you have it figured out you get a whole new set of rules...There is in my opinion, no set handbook to go by.
Cast. Art Taylor said...I encourage anglers to just go fishing when their schedule allows and not worry that their availability might not fall on the perfect phase of the moon.
Larry finished the article with...
"I'm inclined to go with with the above captain's experience and judgement that there are many other critical factors, like CURRENT, CURRENT, and CURRENT, which can't be predicted in advance..."

kenb · 10-25-2017, 05:45 PM

Prof, that was pretty much the same question I asked you when after being out all day you landed your kayak on leo beach and pulled out the halibut and the dozen other fish along with it. And when I asked you if you 'had been fishing out here a lot'? You told me with a smile, "it was beginner's luck".

Thinking more about it, it seems to me it's like most other things in life... it's how much time you put into something that makes it a success. You ain't going to catch any fish sitting in a chair watching a football game on Sunday afternoon.

What was your 'secret' on catching the halibut and the other fish that day?

TheBentRod · 10-26-2017, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kenb

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What was your 'secret' on catching the halibut and the other fish that day?

Follow other anglers!

Sorry, I could not help it!

kenb · 10-25-2017, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saba Slayer

Fish when you can.... don't overthink it...It's all about time on the water...

Yes, Think that pretty well sums it up!

jorluivil · 10-25-2017, 05:53 PM

Tomorrow isn't guaranteed so fish today

ProfessorLongArms · 10-25-2017, 07:06 PM

I'm starting to detect a consensus here

PapaDave · 10-26-2017, 06:16 AM

About the only thing I look at is the weather. Otherwise I just go.

MITCHELL · 10-26-2017, 07:32 AM

The surf conditions on the webcam & wind so I can sail back...if I forgot to check, I have VFH. Noaa weather radio on the water, from San Mateo pt. To the Mexican border and out 30 nautical miles.
Catching fish is an added bonus I don't stress on not catching, because it's getting my exercise in I always find hunger fish, sooner or later...

taggermike · 10-26-2017, 08:12 AM

Ya, you may be over thinking it.
Like others said, if you wait for ideal you might never fish.
Personally I usually get 1 day to fish each week. (Which is pretty good for a married, employed, father of 2). So I'm locked in to sat or sun.
If the weather is looking good I have plenty of options and will usually hit LJ. If its moderate I might fish South SD bay. Its close, doesn't require much paddle and if it gets rough I haven't dedicated much time or effort. If its looking shitty but I still really want to fish I'll hit some super sheltered place. Like behind the high rises in Glorietta Bay or around the boats in the Coronado cays.
There are also some fresh water options. I live close to Otay lake. Its $10 to fish and launch and its a nice break from long LJ paddles. The lake is open on Wednesdays so its an after work option.

So I guess what I'm saying is rather than wait for perfect conditions to fish a certain spot, have spots you can fish in a variety of condition. Mike

10-24-2017, 06:48 PM	#1
Saba Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palos Verdes Posts: 1,837	Fish when you can Fish when you can.... don't overthink it...It's all about time on the water... __________________ Jim / Saba Slayer

10-25-2017, 07:09 AM	#5
Saba Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palos Verdes Posts: 1,837	Moon Phase Read last weeks article in the Western Outdoor News. Full Moon or New Moon? It's in the in the "Long Range Season Primer" insert... Frank LoPreste said..."Sometimes I get really close to thinking the whole moon phase thing is a bunch of hogwash. You can predict and plan a trip around the moon phase if you really want to but YOU CAN"T PREDICT THE CURRENTS. My feeling is just book your trips when it's most convenient. Cast. Tim Ekstrom says..."But to throw a final wrench into the works, I have seen unbelievable fishing, coastal and offshore, unseat every theory and notion of what should be time and again... Cast. Andy Cates Said..."You can't blame the full moon for slow fishing. We always tell people to book a trip that fits your schedule rather than trying to predict whether a moon phase is going to be better or worse. You pay your money and take your chance. Cast. Kevin Osborn says..."My advise is to pick a good time for your fishing vacation and get out there...The single most important factor is current..." Capt. Jeff DeBuys said..."...but just when you think you have it figured out you get a whole new set of rules...There is in my opinion, no set handbook to go by. Cast. Art Taylor said...I encourage anglers to just go fishing when their schedule allows and not worry that their availability might not fall on the perfect phase of the moon. Larry finished the article with... "I'm inclined to go with with the above captain's experience and judgement that there are many other critical factors, like CURRENT, CURRENT, and CURRENT, which can't be predicted in advance..." __________________ Jim / Saba Slayer

10-25-2017, 05:53 PM	#9
jorluivil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 6,855	Tomorrow isn't guaranteed so fish today __________________ www.facebook.com/Teamsewer

10-26-2017, 06:16 AM	#11
PapaDave Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Menifee, CA Posts: 1,460	About the only thing I look at is the weather. Otherwise I just go. __________________ So long and thanks for all the fish...

10-26-2017, 07:32 AM	#12
MITCHELL Sea Hunter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Where ever I may roam where I lay my head I call home. Posts: 2,258	The only thing I check is weather...... The surf conditions on the webcam & wind so I can sail back...if I forgot to check, I have VFH. Noaa weather radio on the water, from San Mateo pt. To the Mexican border and out 30 nautical miles. Catching fish is an added bonus I don't stress on not catching, because it's getting my exercise in I always find hunger fish, sooner or later... __________________ Duke Mitchell Last edited by MITCHELL; 10-26-2017 at 09:12 AM.

10-24-2017, 06:56 PM	#2
Hunters Pa Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fullerton Posts: 1,358	If the stars align and I have the rare open window of time I go. Conditions will determine where. Catching something is a bonus. As Jim said, it's all about time on the water, away from the office, todo list and whatever obnoxious show the kids have on the tv. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my kids activities. I'm doing as much as I can with them while they still tolerate me around

10-24-2017, 07:31 PM	#3
ProfessorLongArms Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 400	Let me be clear-I am totally appreciative of the notion of just going fishing whenever I can find time. This is more theoretical question than something I would ever let keep me off the water. Much as I’ve always heard people talk about it in passing, I’m just more curious if anyone looks at that kind of stuff with any real sense of conviction

10-25-2017, 05:59 AM	#4
goldenglory18 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Seattle Area Posts: 861	I look at it, partially from a scientific standpoint (I'm a curious analytical type) and partially from a comfort and safety standpoint. For me, there are two types of "fishing days" 1) Bay/Marina - If the surf is up, and the intervals are short, then its probably going to be safer to stay inside a protected area. If I make that call, then I'm looking at change of tide (water movement.) Still water to me is dead water. What I fish for, in the size I'm looking for, I almost never find in still water. Days like this I find more numbers, less quality fish. 2) Open water (outside a breakwall or surf launch) - This is when the swell is low, or the intervals are long. Wind is rarely an issue in this situation so I then feel "safe" to venture out to more open and unprotected water. I pay less attention to the tide in these situations and more to weather (any risk of adverse conditions) and water conditions (temp, clarity, depth, etc.) This is when I tend to catch higher quality, but less in quantity. Disclaimer: I've only surf launched once, and that was with the help of an experienced hand. When I look at conditions now, its to see the wave/swell height, and to see the lag between sets. From my minimal understanding of "surf launching" for a newbie, I'm looking for low wind, low swell/wave height and longer intervals/sets. YMMV..... - Kenny

10-25-2017, 05:45 PM	#6
kenb Junior Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: leo carrillo Posts: 9	Prof, that was pretty much the same question I asked you when after being out all day you landed your kayak on leo beach and pulled out the halibut and the dozen other fish along with it. And when I asked you if you 'had been fishing out here a lot'? You told me with a smile, "it was beginner's luck". Thinking more about it, it seems to me it's like most other things in life... it's how much time you put into something that makes it a success. You ain't going to catch any fish sitting in a chair watching a football game on Sunday afternoon. What was your 'secret' on catching the halibut and the other fish that day?

10-25-2017, 07:06 PM	#10
ProfessorLongArms Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 400	I'm starting to detect a consensus here

10-26-2017, 08:12 AM	#13
taggermike Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chula Vista Posts: 1,589	Ya, you may be over thinking it. Like others said, if you wait for ideal you might never fish. Personally I usually get 1 day to fish each week. (Which is pretty good for a married, employed, father of 2). So I'm locked in to sat or sun. If the weather is looking good I have plenty of options and will usually hit LJ. If its moderate I might fish South SD bay. Its close, doesn't require much paddle and if it gets rough I haven't dedicated much time or effort. If its looking shitty but I still really want to fish I'll hit some super sheltered place. Like behind the high rises in Glorietta Bay or around the boats in the Coronado cays. There are also some fresh water options. I live close to Otay lake. Its $10 to fish and launch and its a nice break from long LJ paddles. The lake is open on Wednesdays so its an after work option. So I guess what I'm saying is rather than wait for perfect conditions to fish a certain spot, have spots you can fish in a variety of condition. Mike