One more time - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

tylerdurden · 11-05-2009, 04:48 PM

We need everyone at the BRTF meeting November 10th.

The sky is falling again.

All kidding aside, this will be the meeting the BRTF recommends the prefered map of closures. In the other finished regions, every time the BRTF recommends a map, it gets approved. They were supposed to decide October 22, but ran out of time. Now they will decide on November 10th.

There will be a public comment session at the BRTF meeting on November 10th.

. Don't know what time public comment will be.

November 10, 2009
9:30 a.m.
Sheraton Gateway Hotel
6101 West Century Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90045

Originally there wasn't going to be one. They are going to go based on precedent. After they make a motion on the FINAL map, we have one last chance for specific comments. This will be your only chance to comment on the specific recommended map.

This is not the time to talk about how much the process sucks. This is the time to give one last pitch. They specifically want to hear arguments and reason they haven't heard before. Any new information you may have.

From a Surf Rider Board:
http://www.fluidgroove.net/phpBB3/vi...hp?f=19&t=1110

Quote:

BRTF will introduce a new array for proposed closures on the in a few days. The short sighted fishermen tried to cheat society out of a win-win resolution by perpetuating their unsustainable practices We are able to re-introduce closures that truly benefit mother ocean.

The new proposal is focused on compromise, would establish southern California’s coast as a marine reserve or no take zone from Torry Pines to South La Jolla, West Point Dum, west Palos Verdes, South Point Loma. This proposal meets The Science Advisory Team (SAT), the panel providing guidance on how to best design an effective MPA network to optimize habitat diversity while minimizing socio Economic Impact. See attached map.

I heard this from a friend at Stanford Univ.

Tom Hall.

If true this means not everything is above the table

. Imagine that. We need to be there to hold people accountable.

Every time there has been a poor turnout by fishermen, big rulings have gone against us. We cannot afford that this late in the game.

Grego · 11-05-2009, 04:54 PM

Ramp it up guys...

Let's see if they tactfully place the Public Comment period in the day time again before 2:30pm so they can bus the kids in again.

zenspearo · 11-05-2009, 05:02 PM

Let's saddle up kayakfishermen. Spearos will be there.

tylerdurden · 11-05-2009, 05:04 PM

More info to follow.

Just wanted to get this out there as soon as possible because I just got it.

so cal shaggy · 11-05-2009, 05:04 PM

I will be there.

tylerdurden · 11-05-2009, 05:08 PM

I have to take another fook'n day off work for this chit.

Of course I will be there.

Now that I am publicly proclaiming it, I can't call in sick though

.

tylerdurden · 11-05-2009, 05:50 PM

Roll Call

1. Tyler
2. Greg
3. Zenspearo
4. Billy V
5. Jason
6. Mark Olsen
7. Josh Rider
8. Mark Pierpont
9. Jeff Kreiger
10. Jim Sammons
11. Brent
12. Jeff (So Cal Shaggy)
13. ????????

Come on guys.

Squid bite at LAX

. Let's do this.

Anyone know where to grab beer after? We'll need it.

Billy V · 11-05-2009, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grego

Ramp it up guys...

Let's see if they tactfully place the Public Comment period in the day time again before 2:30pm so they can bus the kids in again.

It will be more exploitation of children.
Bring your left over Halloween candy to feed the kiddies.
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That guy TOM HALL's Post should get your back up. Lets show them weak, brainwashed servile what real organization can produce.
See you there Tom.

tattuna · 11-05-2009, 07:10 PM

"The short sighted fishermen tried to cheat society out of a win-win resolution by perpetuating their unsustainable practices "

That quote's got my blood boiling!!!! You said it right Tman, no need for apologies. I'll be there, gloves off, but well behaved

FISHIONADO · 11-05-2009, 07:31 PM

I'm in.

"The short sighted fishermen tried to cheat society out of a win-win resolution by perpetuating their unsustainable practices " This was some f-tard in Jacksonville Fl that couldn't carry my nut sack.

Most of the Surfrider members I know are fishermen also. We helped influence Surfrider's position regarding San Diego. I wish they had more members in Malibu.

Tman · 11-05-2009, 08:07 PM

Definitely a Clash of ideas going on...

Reminds me of a song from my youth...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDlwue0F9HY

May it enlighten some of the younger folks...Clay knows the song...and a bunch more...

baja709 · 11-06-2009, 05:24 AM

I like what Don said,lets fish one of their red zones. Count me in I'll be there.

Matt · 11-06-2009, 06:17 AM

Well I am jammed at work, my boss will be on vacation, but YEAH I AM IN 100%! So much for extra days off at thanksgiving........

SERIOUSLY WE NEED EVERYBODY !!!!

tylerdurden · 11-06-2009, 07:06 AM

This is THE meeting. Everyone thought the last one was it. The last one was the most important, until they put off the decision until November 10th.

Bump

gabe · 11-06-2009, 07:37 AM

I'll be there

T-Rex · 11-07-2009, 11:25 AM

Everyone should take some time to read the public comment letters posted on the DFG. A lot are from politicians (Republican and Democrat) and city/county/state officials who need to have their feet held to the fire. Some are from surfers who really should know better and others are from complete nut job enviro-talibans dead set on eliminating fishing, kayaking and surfing from "their" beaches.

JJ · 11-07-2009, 09:16 PM

I'm in too. See ya'll there!!!

SeaDog · 11-07-2009, 11:09 PM

I'll be there to express my vote of "no confidence" in this process. There are some that have been in this process from the beginning and have been lied to and manipulated for months as time and again the rules have changed. Remember Ext C? I guess this process will continue until we get it "right".

tylerdurden · 11-08-2009, 12:21 PM

A few of the many things that annoy me...

A couple shapes showed up on the BRTF maps that were not discussed at all during the session, but magically they became options. These shapes received no RSG input. It was nice that the RSG members were able to give input to the shapes discussed in front of them.

In this "open and transparent process" where public input is welcome and such, they didn't release the memo that public comment would be allowed until Saturday morning

. This only gives people one working day.

The info leaked out Thursday evening, and they were looking for the leak. They didn't want to give people too much warning now because then they might actually be able to make it and participate.

tylerdurden · 11-08-2009, 12:23 PM

1. Tyler
2. Greg
3. Zenspearo
4. Billy V
5. Jason
6. Mark Olsen
7. Josh Rider
8. Mark Pierpont
9. Jeff Kreiger
10. Jim Sammons
11. Brent
12. Jeff (So Cal Shaggy)
13. Erika
14. Bellcon
15. TMan
16. Rob Mandel
17. tattuna
18. Fishianodo
19. baja709
20. Matt
21. Gabe
22. Habanero
23. Dark Horse
24. Ocean Angler
25. JoeBeck
26. Herbo
27. Kurt
28. Kiyo
29. Kelpangler
30. Dave Martin
31. Rick Valdez
32. Rick Valdez Jr.
33. Yaker81
34. Kevin Gugliotta
35. Andy Acevedo 36. Ed Zamora
37. Wil Pating
38. Herbo
39. paintnfish
40. Gregandrew
41. Jax Yak
42. Shortstack
43. Cucamunga Keith
44. Dochudson
45. Southboundhound
46. Civilizedcaveman
47. Theluckypig
48. piranha
49. Pig
50. KLCD
51. jclays
52. nextbite
53. MattSabal3
54. JP surf
55. JJ
56. SeaDog
56. ???????

Next??

11-05-2009, 05:02 PM	#3
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	Let's saddle up kayakfishermen. Spearos will be there. __________________ A spearo, but we are in this MLPA mess together

11-05-2009, 05:04 PM	#4
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	More info to follow. Just wanted to get this out there as soon as possible because I just got it. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

11-05-2009, 05:04 PM	#5
so cal shaggy Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Anaheim Posts: 85	I will be there. __________________ Thanks, Jeff

11-05-2009, 05:08 PM	#6
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	I have to take another fook'n day off work for this chit. Of course I will be there. Now that I am publicly proclaiming it, I can't call in sick though . __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

11-05-2009, 05:50 PM	#7
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	Roll Call 1. Tyler 2. Greg 3. Zenspearo 4. Billy V 5. Jason 6. Mark Olsen 7. Josh Rider 8. Mark Pierpont 9. Jeff Kreiger 10. Jim Sammons 11. Brent 12. Jeff (So Cal Shaggy) 13. ???????? Come on guys. Squid bite at LAX . Let's do this. Anyone know where to grab beer after? We'll need it. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

11-05-2009, 04:54 PM	#2
Grego Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 445	Ramp it up guys... Let's see if they tactfully place the Public Comment period in the day time again before 2:30pm so they can bus the kids in again.

11-05-2009, 07:10 PM	#9
tattuna Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pasadena Posts: 329	"The short sighted fishermen tried to cheat society out of a win-win resolution by perpetuating their unsustainable practices " That quote's got my blood boiling!!!! You said it right Tman, no need for apologies. I'll be there, gloves off, but well behaved __________________ IG @tattuna

11-05-2009, 07:31 PM	#10
FISHIONADO Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 698	I'm in. "The short sighted fishermen tried to cheat society out of a win-win resolution by perpetuating their unsustainable practices " This was some f-tard in Jacksonville Fl that couldn't carry my nut sack. Most of the Surfrider members I know are fishermen also. We helped influence Surfrider's position regarding San Diego. I wish they had more members in Malibu.

11-05-2009, 08:07 PM	#11
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Definitely a Clash of ideas going on... Reminds me of a song from my youth... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDlwue0F9HY May it enlighten some of the younger folks...Clay knows the song...and a bunch more... __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

11-06-2009, 05:24 AM	#12
baja709 Junior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 28	I like what Don said,lets fish one of their red zones. Count me in I'll be there.

11-06-2009, 06:17 AM	#13
Matt Support your local pangas Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Lj Posts: 976	Well I am jammed at work, my boss will be on vacation, but YEAH I AM IN 100%! So much for extra days off at thanksgiving........ SERIOUSLY WE NEED EVERYBODY !!!! __________________ Thanks Matt F.

11-06-2009, 07:06 AM	#14
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	This is THE meeting. Everyone thought the last one was it. The last one was the most important, until they put off the decision until November 10th. Bump __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

11-06-2009, 07:37 AM	#15
gabe Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 120	I'll be there __________________

11-07-2009, 11:25 AM	#16
T-Rex Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita Posts: 770	Everyone should take some time to read the public comment letters posted on the DFG. A lot are from politicians (Republican and Democrat) and city/county/state officials who need to have their feet held to the fire. Some are from surfers who really should know better and others are from complete nut job enviro-talibans dead set on eliminating fishing, kayaking and surfing from "their" beaches. __________________

11-07-2009, 09:16 PM	#17
JJ Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 80	I'm in too. See ya'll there!!!

11-07-2009, 11:09 PM	#18
SeaDog Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Orange County Posts: 47	I'll be there to express my vote of "no confidence" in this process. There are some that have been in this process from the beginning and have been lied to and manipulated for months as time and again the rules have changed. Remember Ext C? I guess this process will continue until we get it "right".

11-08-2009, 12:21 PM	#19
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	A few of the many things that annoy me... A couple shapes showed up on the BRTF maps that were not discussed at all during the session, but magically they became options. These shapes received no RSG input. It was nice that the RSG members were able to give input to the shapes discussed in front of them. In this "open and transparent process" where public input is welcome and such, they didn't release the memo that public comment would be allowed until Saturday morning . This only gives people one working day. The info leaked out Thursday evening, and they were looking for the leak. They didn't want to give people too much warning now because then they might actually be able to make it and participate. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

11-08-2009, 12:23 PM	#20
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	1. Tyler 2. Greg 3. Zenspearo 4. Billy V 5. Jason 6. Mark Olsen 7. Josh Rider 8. Mark Pierpont 9. Jeff Kreiger 10. Jim Sammons 11. Brent 12. Jeff (So Cal Shaggy) 13. Erika 14. Bellcon 15. TMan 16. Rob Mandel 17. tattuna 18. Fishianodo 19. baja709 20. Matt 21. Gabe 22. Habanero 23. Dark Horse 24. Ocean Angler 25. JoeBeck 26. Herbo 27. Kurt 28. Kiyo 29. Kelpangler 30. Dave Martin 31. Rick Valdez 32. Rick Valdez Jr. 33. Yaker81 34. Kevin Gugliotta 35. Andy Acevedo 36. Ed Zamora 37. Wil Pating 38. Herbo 39. paintnfish 40. Gregandrew 41. Jax Yak 42. Shortstack 43. Cucamunga Keith 44. Dochudson 45. Southboundhound 46. Civilizedcaveman 47. Theluckypig 48. piranha 49. Pig 50. KLCD 51. jclays 52. nextbite 53. MattSabal3 54. JP surf 55. JJ 56. SeaDog 56. ??????? Next?? __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.