Leader to Swivel Knot - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

MarkT · 08-26-2009, 08:59 PM

I've been using the Bob Sands/Tony Pena but will be trying the modified albright next time. http://www.stripersonline.com/Pages/...tos_knot.shtml

Whizz Bang · 08-26-2009, 09:28 PM

Wed. 8/26 PM

I just lost one....from the feel, a real nice one to this exact problem. I had a Uni to the swivel on 25lb flouro....stupid. After a SCREAMING clicker, then a screaming drag, I lost it at the swivel. I had jinxed myself as I had read this thread before heading out the door. Oh yeah, guess who I bumped into right after I lost it.....Bender, the same guy who started this damn thread. We had a nice, LONG paddle back commiserating.

I really appreciate all the "old timers" sharing their thoughts on this one. Right now it is near and dear to my heart.....my little, black, hate filled heart.....stupid Uni.

FISHIONADO · 08-26-2009, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whizz Bang

Wed. 8/26 PM

I just lost one....from the feel, a real nice one to this exact problem. I had a Uni to the swivel on 25lb flouro....stupid. After a SCREAMING clicker, then a screaming drag, I lost it at the swivel. I had jinxed myself as I had read this thread before heading out the door. Oh yeah, guess who I bumped into right after I lost it.....Bender, the same guy who started this damn thread. We had a nice, LONG paddle back commiserating.

I really appreciate all the "old timers" sharing their thoughts on this one. Right now it is near and dear to my heart.....my little, black, hate filled heart.....stupid Uni.

Ouch , sorry for that. You can hate the uni but it's hard to argue with the fish that I have caught with it, many 30+, several 40+, and one 50+. I haven't lost a single fish to a knot since I started using the uni. I have the same hatred towards the improved clinch knot. It was the only knot I knew when I started and I lost several fish to it.

JrBasser · 08-27-2009, 10:55 AM

Knots are funny. I too started with the improved clinch, and have broken off very few fish with it :/ That being said, I rarely fish it anymore. But it has held up to many 100 lb class bat ray and what not. The only knot I tie to swivels, lures, etc is the san diego. Irons, double san diego jam knot, and for connections, a double albright. The Key to the albright with spectra is make sure you wrap the spectra around th emono. 10 turns has always worked for me.

Willy · 08-27-2009, 01:37 PM

When the palomar is not an option I use the fishinfool knot: http://www.fnflures.com/page10.html

It's like a sexy uni.

I have stopped using albrights as much, as I lost a pretty yeller boatside to a tired albright.
The knot was tired, that's the story I'm stickin to.

Willy

1Flatfish · 08-27-2009, 02:05 PM

Palomar your leader to the swivel first, Then palomar the swivel to the main line. It's easy to pull the leader through the main line loop.

Whizz Bang · 08-27-2009, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FISHIONADO

Ouch , sorry for that. You can hate the uni but it's hard to argue with the fish that I have caught with it, many 30+, several 40+, and one 50+. I haven't lost a single fish to a knot since I started using the uni. I have the same hatred towards the improved clinch knot. It was the only knot I knew when I started and I lost several fish to it.

Fishionado,

You cant argue with those fish, but are you using the uni to a swivel with flouro? I was very careful when I tied it but honestly wonder if being pulled on from the other direction may cause slippage. I went out today and bumped up my flouro to 30lb from 25lb. Im thinking I will forgo the swivel (read albright) or palomar the damn thing.

FISHIONADO · 08-27-2009, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whizz Bang

Fishionado,

You cant argue with those fish, but are you using the uni to a swivel with flouro? I was very careful when I tied it but honestly wonder if being pulled on from the other direction may cause slippage. I went out today and bumped up my flouro to 30lb from 25lb. Im thinking I will forgo the swivel (read albright) or palomar the damn thing.

I use larger swivels with a fluorescent bead above the swivel so it doesn't go through the rod guides. Spectra with a bead tied to the swivel, then about 4' of 25 or 30lb flouro to the hook. After I tie the knot and loosely cinch it I lube it with spit then pull tight on the tag end, then pull the line, then pull the tag end again to ensure it is tightly cinched. On the flouro you will feel it sort of click in place when pulling tight on the line. I only use Seaguer flouro, it's expensive but I only use 4' at a time so not a big deal. I use the uni for everything including the hook. I can't find fish consistently like Josh does but once they are on my line they usually end up in my belly.

beardedguy · 09-01-2009, 01:07 AM

I'm no one to correct anybody, but is it possible your refering to the
Tony Pefia knot? I think Tony Pena played baseball or something.

bender0240 · 09-01-2009, 09:50 AM

Thanks er'body for all the great info.

Fishionado- Your words give me a lot more faith in my favorite knot (The UNI!) I think I must be tying it wrong. Tying knots seems to be a different ball game with thicker line. They don't seem to cinch down as smooth as say 6lb test

I'll come around to the spectra to fluoro knot's after I catch a few more fish and am more confident. I've tested the Albright, Tony Pena (or Pefia depending on who you're asking) and Double Uni and they've all tested very strong (although the Double Uni really seems to need a precise number of turns of spectra(more) and fluoro(less) depending on their relative widths, or else one will slip through the other.)

Corey- I'll be sure to always spit on my knot before applying friction or at least have someone else spit on it for me.

I also like to make sure there's plenty of room before performing the "wrap around". And I always, always, always make sure my "tag end" is clean before trying to put it in the "eye hole"

(innuendo wholeheartedly applied)

forefrazier · 09-01-2009, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beardedguy

I'm no one to correct anybody, but is it possible your refering to the
Tony Pefia knot? I think Tony Pena played baseball or something.

Don't know who Tony Pefia is either??

If you were to do a simple google search you will find both names. One return for the Pefia is just a modified way of tying the Pena knot. More turns on the tag end...not really needed if you tie it right.

08-27-2009, 01:37 PM	#5
Willy Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: La Jolla Posts: 189	When the palomar is not an option I use the fishinfool knot: http://www.fnflures.com/page10.html It's like a sexy uni. I have stopped using albrights as much, as I lost a pretty yeller boatside to a tired albright. The knot was tired, that's the story I'm stickin to. Willy Last edited by Willy; 08-27-2009 at 04:09 PM. Reason: Stoopid

08-27-2009, 02:05 PM	#6
1Flatfish Wayne Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 98	Leader knots Palomar your leader to the swivel first, Then palomar the swivel to the main line. It's easy to pull the leader through the main line loop.

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08-26-2009, 08:59 PM	#1
MarkT Deep Release Specialist Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Mission Viejo Posts: 94	I've been using the Bob Sands/Tony Pena but will be trying the modified albright next time. http://www.stripersonline.com/Pages/...tos_knot.shtml

08-26-2009, 09:28 PM	#2
Whizz Bang Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 396	Wed. 8/26 PM I just lost one....from the feel, a real nice one to this exact problem. I had a Uni to the swivel on 25lb flouro....stupid. After a SCREAMING clicker, then a screaming drag, I lost it at the swivel. I had jinxed myself as I had read this thread before heading out the door. Oh yeah, guess who I bumped into right after I lost it.....Bender, the same guy who started this damn thread. We had a nice, LONG paddle back commiserating. I really appreciate all the "old timers" sharing their thoughts on this one. Right now it is near and dear to my heart.....my little, black, hate filled heart.....stupid Uni.

08-27-2009, 10:55 AM	#4
JrBasser Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 260	Knots are funny. I too started with the improved clinch, and have broken off very few fish with it :/ That being said, I rarely fish it anymore. But it has held up to many 100 lb class bat ray and what not. The only knot I tie to swivels, lures, etc is the san diego. Irons, double san diego jam knot, and for connections, a double albright. The Key to the albright with spectra is make sure you wrap the spectra around th emono. 10 turns has always worked for me.

09-01-2009, 01:07 AM	#9
beardedguy gurmpy old one Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: El Cajon Posts: 80	I'm no one to correct anybody, but is it possible your refering to the Tony Pefia knot? I think Tony Pena played baseball or something.

09-01-2009, 09:50 AM	#10
bender0240 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 118	Thanks er'body for all the great info. Fishionado- Your words give me a lot more faith in my favorite knot (The UNI!) I think I must be tying it wrong. Tying knots seems to be a different ball game with thicker line. They don't seem to cinch down as smooth as say 6lb test I'll come around to the spectra to fluoro knot's after I catch a few more fish and am more confident. I've tested the Albright, Tony Pena (or Pefia depending on who you're asking) and Double Uni and they've all tested very strong (although the Double Uni really seems to need a precise number of turns of spectra(more) and fluoro(less) depending on their relative widths, or else one will slip through the other.) Corey- I'll be sure to always spit on my knot before applying friction or at least have someone else spit on it for me. I also like to make sure there's plenty of room before performing the "wrap around". And I always, always, always make sure my "tag end" is clean before trying to put it in the "eye hole" (innuendo wholeheartedly applied)