SD CITY COUNCIL MEETING!!!! - Kayak Fishing Adventures on Big Water’s Edge

Holy Mackerel · 10-01-2009, 10:38 AM

I know there are a lot of posts coming out, but 20 days, and counting, before there will be nothing left that you can do.

We need all the people we can get to go to this meeting. Please attend, Friends of Seals, and all the other Anti-Fishing groups will be there to try and get the San Diego City Council to push for closures of La Jolla and Pt. Loma, and support the MLPA.

Anglers in Redondo, where able to show up and make a difference.

THE COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES AND CULTURE
OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO
Councilmember Frye, Chair
Councilmember Carl DeMaio, Vice Chair
Councilmember Sherri Lightner
Councilmember Marti Emerald
AGENDA FOR

WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 7, 2009, AT 2:00 P.M.
COUNCIL COMMITTEE ROOM (12TH FLOOR),
CITY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING
202 C STREET, SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA

tylerdurden · 10-01-2009, 10:53 AM

Ugh. Makes me sick. We all know the friends of the seals will turn out, they don't have real jobs. We all know what they will lobby for. The question is whether we are going to take it. We must speak up for what is right.

zenspearo · 10-01-2009, 10:57 AM

This is a critical meeting Kayakfishermen. Not only that, it's critical to get everyone you know to write/call the city council members to express your reservation against the MLPA process and its impact on San Diego's economic base.

Remember how city council support enables the Children Pool people to persuade the CA legislature to essentially take a beach away from San Diego. Don't let this happen with the MLPA.

Remember how Laguna's City Council support was one of the critical factors in Group 1 and Group 3 taking away all of shore access in the city of Laguna.

This is an end-game strategy by the enviros clearly designed to get the support of San Diego City Council in time to influence the decision of the BRTF by Oct. 21st.

In many ways, this is as critical, or more critical, than any other MLPA meeting you have attended in the past.

1) Get as many people to write or call as possible.
2) Make sure kayakfishermen aren't shut out of ALL OF La Jolla. We can lose the battle and the war right here (Remember the BRTF can--and did in other MLPA study regions--come up with their own larger closures. Don't let this happen to La Jolla based on SD City Council's endorsement). If we don't do something, we'll only be allowed to look at the kelp next year from shore (but not from Children's Pool--we are already kicked out of that one).

JoeBeck · 10-01-2009, 11:05 AM

This world has gone crazy!

Holy Mackerel · 10-01-2009, 12:27 PM

Bump, this is coming quickly, we need all available Kayak Fishermen to represent to the city of San Diego, the negative economic impact on the MLPAI.

Coast Keeper is going to be there in force!!!

Starts at 2pm, take a half day, I asked for one!

Holy Mackerel · 10-01-2009, 12:54 PM

Guys find your City Council Member and send them a quick email on the local economic impact of the MLPA, and to VOTE NO at this meeting. I just sent Sherri Lightner another email.

http://www.sandiego.gov/citycouncil/

I will see you at this meeting, who is joining me?

Tman · 10-01-2009, 01:50 PM

Frye is a surfer...a true blue old schooler. Hopefully she will lean in our favor.

Emerald, being that we are $179,000,000 in debt, I think if she realizes the negative effect on the SD economy, may help us.

Closing Pt Loma and LJ at the same time, unemployment would sky...

zenspearo · 10-01-2009, 01:50 PM

Guys,

We should model our SD City Council effort after Redondo's successful advocacy.

Here are the resolutions that come out of the Redondo's City Council. We want at minimum to achieve the same.

Please see attached.

zenspearo · 10-01-2009, 02:02 PM

We got to get the harbormasters, the boat shops, the tackleshops, the fishing day boats, etc. involved.

This is our hometown, no longer an abstraction of a state-wide closure. They've got to get in the game on this one. This paints a target right on their forehead.

Someone starts making calls and having some boots hit the pavement?

Holy Mackerel · 10-02-2009, 05:19 AM

Bump!

C'mon SD kayakers, our northern kayakers made an impact with the city of Redondo, let's do the same here in SD. This is one of the rare SD venues, we can attend.

See ya there!

BT · 10-02-2009, 07:42 AM

Just emailed Marti Emerald

People can also call their councilmember as well. You wont talk to them, but I know that when you call all you need to do is tell whoever answers the phone that you do not support the MLPA closures. The people answering the phones most likely have a spread sheet or something similar to keep track of all the calls so their councilmember knows what their community is saying.

A tip on emails and letters...keep them brief and make your point in the first line. Most likely your email is being read by a staffer, and your email will go into a folder after they see you support or are against something. Not many government representatives read their mail and they usually have a staff member screen everything.

Not saying don’t write a long well thought email, but even a simple "Mr. Councilmember, I don’t support XYZ, and I don’t think you should either" works. We area a tally to them. And ALWAYS include your name and address in an email so they know you are in their district.

Billy V · 10-02-2009, 10:26 AM

I just called Donna Frye's office and they let me speak for 5 Minutes
(That more time than I was allotted in the Last 6 MLPA Meetings I have attended.)

I was just told:
They are accepting E Mails prior to the Meeting and will use those comments to make a decision.

Please take the time to write to Ms. Frye, Tell Her how this will effect YOU.

DonnaFrye@sandiego.gov

Holy Mackerel · 10-02-2009, 10:29 AM

I know everyone is attending this meeting next week! But if you have not contacted your council person, please do so during your lunch!

	District 1 Councilmember Sherri Lightner E-mail: sherrilightner@sandiego.gov
	District 2 Council President Pro Tem Kevin Faulconer E-mail: kevinfaulconer@sandiego.gov
	District 3 Councilmember Todd Gloria E-mail: toddgloria@sandiego.gov
	District 4 Councilmember Tony Young E-mail: anthonyyoung@sandiego.gov
	District 5 Councilmember Carl DeMaio E-mail: carldemaio@sandiego.gov
	District 6 Councilmember Donna Frye E-mail: donnafrye@sandiego.gov
	District 7 Councilmember Marti Emerald E-mail: martiemerald@sandiego.gov
	District 8 Council President Ben Hueso E-mail: benhueso@sandiego.gov

C. Cary · 10-02-2009, 12:20 PM

Thanks for posting the emails.

Email sent

C. Cary

zenspearo · 10-02-2009, 12:37 PM

Guys,

The State AG's Office just clarified their position on what non-fishing activity is prohibited in a State Marine Reserve.

Basically, any activity that "injure" to "any" living marine resource is a no-no in a State Marine Reserve unless it's "permitted research, restoration, and monitoring."

This is a powerful argument with SD city council against SMRs in La Jolla (as in Group 3) and Point Loma. We should bring this up--if La Jolla and Point Loma is closed to beach access, surfing, boating, diving, etc., the city of San Diego will take it on the chin.

See here.

http://www.spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=93285

emrliquidlife · 10-02-2009, 02:44 PM

Hey guys,

I presented the kayak safety fishing video at the last MLPA meeting.

Would it make any sense to have this video presented at the Council Meeting?

I'm nowhere near San Diego, but I hope to fish La Jolla for a yellow tail in October. I could make the meeting and hopefully catch a fish.

Ed

dsafety · 10-02-2009, 04:20 PM

As usual, I can't make the meeting but will send out some emails. There is another way of posting your opinion. Visit this site http://www.sandiego.gov/city-clerk/o...tcomment.shtml

and you can write a comment that will be shared with the appropriate folks. I know someone reads these because I got an email back from the clerk who distributes the comments asking me which agenda item my comments were concerning.

They only let you have 200 words which makes it difficult to get your point across, so use your words well.

In case anyone is interested, this is what I wrote.

"This action item is a thinly disguised attempt to con the Council into supporting a harmful agenda being pushed by some narrowly focused special interest groups. Despite statements to the contrary in paragraphs 2 and 5 of this proposed resolution, the suggested MLPA closures are not supported by scientific research. In fact, the statements in paragraph 2 are bald faced lies. Sensible regulation of the commercial fishing industry and dramatic reductions in pollution have resulted in the California coastal fisheries being healthier today than in any time during the last fifty years.
ffice

ffice" />>>
Should the MLPA closures become law, recreational fishing along most of the coast of California will be outlawed. If this is allowed to happen, entire industries based on this resource will disappear. The cost to the state and individual cities will be untold millions of dollars in lost tax revenue, as these businesses are forced to close. There will also be enormous enforcement costs that someone will have to pay.
>>
The MLPA closures are poorly conceived and not supported by the science. This proposal is not supported by most citizens and should not be blessed by the San Diego City Council. Please do not approve this resolution."
Bob

PAL · 10-02-2009, 07:18 PM

Guys, this is a flank attack right here at home. Defend your turf! Please make every effort to attend, and if you can't, at the very least call your city council rep.

Billy V · 10-02-2009, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emrliquidlife

Hey guys,

I presented the kayak safety fishing video at the last MLPA meeting.

Would it make any sense to have this video presented at the Council Meeting?

I'm nowhere near San Diego, but I hope to fish La Jolla for a yellow tail in October. I could make the meeting and hopefully catch a fish.

Ed

Yes.
That Video was powerful, please bring it down.

If you are in the neighborhood and want to fish LJ I'd gladly fish with you.

Saba Slayer · 10-04-2009, 10:26 AM

Holy Mackerel said "Anglers in Redondo, where able to show up and make a difference."
Here is some of the economic impact info from the Redondo area. This is SMALL peanuts compaired to the San Diego area's ECONOMIC IMPACT.

The economic impacts are calculated using the Boating Economic Model created by the Recreation Marine Research center at Michigan State University.
This model uses information from over 12,500 nationwide boater surveys regarding craft spending, and 13,000 boaters regarding theirtrip spending activities. It found that the King Harbor Marina generates $46,755,000 in economic activity annually, and provides 267 jobs. This includes the launching activities.
Data from a visitors survey that was conducted specifically at King Harbor was then used to determine how much of this activity is directly related to the ability to fish the local waters. There are 1,465 vessels in King Harbor and 185 responded to the survey. Of the respondents, 41% said they would not continue to keep their vessel , "If the current locations where you fish became off limits..." From information gathered from Redondo Sport Fishing and Tackle, 80% of the fishing activity that originates from King Harbor occurs at Rocky Point.
Given that 41% of the vessels in King Harbor are there to fish and 80% of those to fish Rocky Point specifically, the surrounding communities will lose $17,317,000 in economic activity annually, and 87 jobs.
Good Luck In Sandy Eggo....Fight the Fight it's worth it!
Jim / Saba Slayer

10-01-2009, 10:38 AM	#1
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	SD CITY COUNCIL MEETING!!!! I know there are a lot of posts coming out, but 20 days, and counting, before there will be nothing left that you can do. We need all the people we can get to go to this meeting. Please attend, Friends of Seals, and all the other Anti-Fishing groups will be there to try and get the San Diego City Council to push for closures of La Jolla and Pt. Loma, and support the MLPA. Anglers in Redondo, where able to show up and make a difference. THE COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES AND CULTURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO Councilmember Frye, Chair Councilmember Carl DeMaio, Vice Chair Councilmember Sherri Lightner Councilmember Marti Emerald AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 7, 2009, AT 2:00 P.M. COUNCIL COMMITTEE ROOM (12TH FLOOR), CITY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING 202 C STREET, SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA

10-01-2009, 10:53 AM	#2
tylerdurden Bad Clone Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 874	Ugh. Makes me sick. We all know the friends of the seals will turn out, they don't have real jobs. We all know what they will lobby for. The question is whether we are going to take it. We must speak up for what is right. __________________ MLPA, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem Let the Fish and Game Commission know what you think about the proposed maps. Be ready for December 9th and 10th.

10-01-2009, 10:57 AM	#3
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	This is a critical meeting Kayakfishermen. Not only that, it's critical to get everyone you know to write/call the city council members to express your reservation against the MLPA process and its impact on San Diego's economic base. Remember how city council support enables the Children Pool people to persuade the CA legislature to essentially take a beach away from San Diego. Don't let this happen with the MLPA. Remember how Laguna's City Council support was one of the critical factors in Group 1 and Group 3 taking away all of shore access in the city of Laguna. This is an end-game strategy by the enviros clearly designed to get the support of San Diego City Council in time to influence the decision of the BRTF by Oct. 21st. In many ways, this is as critical, or more critical, than any other MLPA meeting you have attended in the past. 1) Get as many people to write or call as possible. 2) Make sure kayakfishermen aren't shut out of ALL OF La Jolla. We can lose the battle and the war right here (Remember the BRTF can--and did in other MLPA study regions--come up with their own larger closures. Don't let this happen to La Jolla based on SD City Council's endorsement). If we don't do something, we'll only be allowed to look at the kelp next year from shore (but not from Children's Pool--we are already kicked out of that one). __________________ A spearo, but we are in this MLPA mess together

10-01-2009, 01:50 PM	#7
Tman BRTF...bought & paid... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,247	Frye is a surfer...a true blue old schooler. Hopefully she will lean in our favor. Emerald, being that we are $179,000,000 in debt, I think if she realizes the negative effect on the SD economy, may help us. Closing Pt Loma and LJ at the same time, unemployment would sky... __________________ Adios Tman Gaffer for Clay the Fishcatcher

10-01-2009, 02:02 PM	#9
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	We got to get the harbormasters, the boat shops, the tackleshops, the fishing day boats, etc. involved. This is our hometown, no longer an abstraction of a state-wide closure. They've got to get in the game on this one. This paints a target right on their forehead. Someone starts making calls and having some boots hit the pavement? __________________ A spearo, but we are in this MLPA mess together

10-01-2009, 11:05 AM	#4
JoeBeck Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 370	This world has gone crazy!

10-01-2009, 12:27 PM	#5
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	Bump, this is coming quickly, we need all available Kayak Fishermen to represent to the city of San Diego, the negative economic impact on the MLPAI. Coast Keeper is going to be there in force!!! Starts at 2pm, take a half day, I asked for one!

10-01-2009, 12:54 PM	#6
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	Guys find your City Council Member and send them a quick email on the local economic impact of the MLPA, and to VOTE NO at this meeting. I just sent Sherri Lightner another email. http://www.sandiego.gov/citycouncil/ I will see you at this meeting, who is joining me?

10-02-2009, 05:19 AM	#10
Holy Mackerel Señor member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,627	Bump! C'mon SD kayakers, our northern kayakers made an impact with the city of Redondo, let's do the same here in SD. This is one of the rare SD venues, we can attend. See ya there!

10-02-2009, 07:42 AM	#11
BT Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: San Carlos Posts: 202	Just emailed Marti Emerald People can also call their councilmember as well. You wont talk to them, but I know that when you call all you need to do is tell whoever answers the phone that you do not support the MLPA closures. The people answering the phones most likely have a spread sheet or something similar to keep track of all the calls so their councilmember knows what their community is saying. A tip on emails and letters...keep them brief and make your point in the first line. Most likely your email is being read by a staffer, and your email will go into a folder after they see you support or are against something. Not many government representatives read their mail and they usually have a staff member screen everything. Not saying don’t write a long well thought email, but even a simple "Mr. Councilmember, I don’t support XYZ, and I don’t think you should either" works. We area a tally to them. And ALWAYS include your name and address in an email so they know you are in their district. __________________ if your brain had fists, you could only hurt yourself!

10-02-2009, 10:26 AM	#12
Billy V Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bay Ho Posts: 1,382	I just called Donna Frye's office and they let me speak for 5 Minutes (That more time than I was allotted in the Last 6 MLPA Meetings I have attended.) I was just told: They are accepting E Mails prior to the Meeting and will use those comments to make a decision. Please take the time to write to Ms. Frye, Tell Her how this will effect YOU. DonnaFrye@sandiego.gov

10-02-2009, 12:20 PM	#14
C. Cary Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Carmel Valley Posts: 104	Thanks for posting the emails. Email sent C. Cary

10-02-2009, 12:37 PM	#15
zenspearo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 167	Guys, The State AG's Office just clarified their position on what non-fishing activity is prohibited in a State Marine Reserve. Basically, any activity that "injure" to "any" living marine resource is a no-no in a State Marine Reserve unless it's "permitted research, restoration, and monitoring." This is a powerful argument with SD city council against SMRs in La Jolla (as in Group 3) and Point Loma. We should bring this up--if La Jolla and Point Loma is closed to beach access, surfing, boating, diving, etc., the city of San Diego will take it on the chin. See here. http://www.spearboard.com/showthread.php?t=93285 __________________ A spearo, but we are in this MLPA mess together

10-02-2009, 02:44 PM	#16
emrliquidlife Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 59	Hey guys, I presented the kayak safety fishing video at the last MLPA meeting. Would it make any sense to have this video presented at the Council Meeting? I'm nowhere near San Diego, but I hope to fish La Jolla for a yellow tail in October. I could make the meeting and hopefully catch a fish. Ed

10-02-2009, 04:20 PM	#17
dsafety Olivenhain Bob Join Date: May 2008 Location: Olivenhain, CA Posts: 1,121	As usual, I can't make the meeting but will send out some emails. There is another way of posting your opinion. Visit this site http://www.sandiego.gov/city-clerk/o...tcomment.shtml and you can write a comment that will be shared with the appropriate folks. I know someone reads these because I got an email back from the clerk who distributes the comments asking me which agenda item my comments were concerning. They only let you have 200 words which makes it difficult to get your point across, so use your words well. In case anyone is interested, this is what I wrote. "This action item is a thinly disguised attempt to con the Council into supporting a harmful agenda being pushed by some narrowly focused special interest groups. Despite statements to the contrary in paragraphs 2 and 5 of this proposed resolution, the suggested MLPA closures are not supported by scientific research. In fact, the statements in paragraph 2 are bald faced lies. Sensible regulation of the commercial fishing industry and dramatic reductions in pollution have resulted in the California coastal fisheries being healthier today than in any time during the last fifty years. fficeffice" />>> Should the MLPA closures become law, recreational fishing along most of the coast of California will be outlawed. If this is allowed to happen, entire industries based on this resource will disappear. The cost to the state and individual cities will be untold millions of dollars in lost tax revenue, as these businesses are forced to close. There will also be enormous enforcement costs that someone will have to pay. >> The MLPA closures are poorly conceived and not supported by the science. This proposal is not supported by most citizens and should not be blessed by the San Diego City Council. Please do not approve this resolution." Bob

10-02-2009, 07:18 PM	#18
PAL Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 754	Guys, this is a flank attack right here at home. Defend your turf! Please make every effort to attend, and if you can't, at the very least call your city council rep.

10-04-2009, 10:26 AM	#20
Saba Slayer Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Palos Verdes Posts: 1,848	Redondo Holy Mackerel said "Anglers in Redondo, where able to show up and make a difference." Here is some of the economic impact info from the Redondo area. This is SMALL peanuts compaired to the San Diego area's ECONOMIC IMPACT. The economic impacts are calculated using the Boating Economic Model created by the Recreation Marine Research center at Michigan State University. This model uses information from over 12,500 nationwide boater surveys regarding craft spending, and 13,000 boaters regarding theirtrip spending activities. It found that the King Harbor Marina generates $46,755,000 in economic activity annually, and provides 267 jobs. This includes the launching activities. Data from a visitors survey that was conducted specifically at King Harbor was then used to determine how much of this activity is directly related to the ability to fish the local waters. There are 1,465 vessels in King Harbor and 185 responded to the survey. Of the respondents, 41% said they would not continue to keep their vessel , "If the current locations where you fish became off limits..." From information gathered from Redondo Sport Fishing and Tackle, 80% of the fishing activity that originates from King Harbor occurs at Rocky Point. Given that 41% of the vessels in King Harbor are there to fish and 80% of those to fish Rocky Point specifically, the surrounding communities will lose $17,317,000 in economic activity annually, and 87 jobs. Good Luck In Sandy Eggo....Fight the Fight it's worth it! Jim / Saba Slayer