Cheapest I seen the black go for is 340 add tax to that...the tn16 goes for around 250-275 in used condition in imho 25 bucks more is wel worth getting it new especially when you cant find themnin the store anymore......the hullavator runs close to 600 in ebay runs about 350 without shipping this thing weighs about 45lb to ship (actually have someone interested in sf for a lil more at craiglist price) I think this breaks it down a bit
