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SOLD

Customer fell off the face of the Earth. So up for grabs a custom bamboo kage. 32" calcutta bamboo shaft. 12" handle wrapped in blue and white w/blue cord with matching turksheads. 9" spike made with 7/16 HSS drill blank with tri point tip. This sucker is beefy!

$40 bucks takes it. Located in San Diego. PM me if interested.

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That thing looks nice, just like all of your work!

...please excuse the ignorance...but what is that ?...and what is it for ?

It's used to dispatch larger species of fish while they are still in the water. Halibut and sharks particularly. You don't want an angry biter in your lap. It's not used that much out here, but in Hawaii they are used for Wahoo and Tuna

To keep your kids in line.

Go to you-tube and search Kage. There are videos of them in use

.....cool tool !

Skilla has one of the best work I've seen, he's wrapped me a gaff that looks straight out beautiful and will last me years. You guys can trust him with his work!!!

Fits in my factory OK and Malibu holders as well as my Berkley launchers. Widest part measures about an inch and a half.

Pretty cool but note its illegal to use those in California.

http://californiaoutdoorsqas.com/201...cific-halibut/

Question: Pacific halibut have become a sought-after sport fish out of Eureka and Trinidad. I have a question about landing large Pacific halibut, particularly in a relatively small boat. Many people use a type of harpoon with a head that comes off and is tethered to the boat. This prevents the fish from heading down while a rope is run through its gills for hauling it aboard. I was told that harpooning them this way was possibly illegal under rules governing harpooning fish. In this case the fish was caught with normal hook and line. The harpoon is used only to land the fish safely, similar to a gaff but more secure. Is this legal? Are there better methods? I have heard many tales of big halibut doing serious damage to fishermen if they are brought aboard too early and without steps taken to control them. All ideas are welcome. (Tom P., Eureka)
Answer: Harpoons cannot be used to “take” halibut, and landing the fish is an integral part of “take.” So just because you get the fish to the surface, it does not mean it has been “taken” until it is landed (secured). Most fish are lost at the surface, so take has not been completed and a harpoon could not be used at this point. Harpoons are only allowed for the actual take of all varieties of skates, rays, and sharks, except white sharks (California Code of Regulations Title 14, section 28.95).
While the use of a harpoon to “take” halibut is not authorized, the use of a “spear” to take halibut is legal, but you have to be “a person floating or swimming in the water” (CCR Title 14, section 28.90). Use of a gaff, including a gaff with a detachable hook, is authorized to land the fish as long as it is legal size. So the best option and the only one that is legal for California is to use a gaff with a detachable hook, sometimes referred to as a flying gaff. The description of a gaff can be found in CCR Title 14 section, 28.65 (d).

In case you're wondering what 28.65(d) says:

I'll get the popcorn

Don't shoot the messenger :) that's just what the DFG says, don't want anyone getting in trouble. If someone chooses to use one - try not to get caught!

It's not a harpoon nor is it a spear...

It's a KAH-GAY!! Dammit!!!!

Check out page 44, section 28.95 in the new 2014-2015 reg book. ;)

Section 28.65(d) states no undersize fish may be gaffed and then goes into description of what a gaff actually is. Also states landing net requirements. But nowhere does it say a spear, harpoon, or kage is illegal to use in CA.

If questioned by a warden you can say its a brain spike because essentially a head shot is what you want when using a kage. As stated in a previous post it's purpose is to dispatch the fish BEFORE sinking a gaff into it.

So, can I carry a gun on my kayak if there are no bullets around?




What if the S&W I have has a harpoon attachment?






Dont overthink this stuff guys!

:)

Yeah, we had a similar conversation about the topic earlier this year up in Norcal. Had to piece together why a Kage was not allowed. Essentially if you go through the regs piece by piece:

28.65. GENERAL

There's no doubt the whole regulation book is confusing and poorly worded. Now, if you were to use a Kage to take a fish and a warden comes up to you, three things could happen:
1. Warden may not know the reg
2. May not care, or
3. May choose to run you roughshod for it.

4. You can ask him where the fish are biting:D

I think I saw a googin named Paulie using a kage on a boat called Pin Merchandise.com on some steroid jacked albacore...I think. :help:

I don't see the legal issue. It speaks of gaffs because there are laws regulating them (when you can use one and the size of the gaff hook). Unless I'm mistaken, the fact that a kage or spear gaff is not mentioned is in favor of the fisherman. As most laws that are vague benefit the party in question. And to top it off the purpose is like that of a brain spike, to dispatch the fish. The term take is used in the regulations and describes the entire act of fishing so you are just moving the brain spike before the landing of the fish but still in the act of the take.

Does anyone see holes in this logic?

Good logic, I use a club after, why not a kage before. Pm sent. SALE pending.

It would be the BEST $40 defense against a GWS if you don't have anything else...!:eek:

But is it legal to use on a GWS?

I agree with bassmanben's conclusion. Rules always state what you cannot do, and may sometimes give specific exceptions. This one says hook and line or by hand only, and gives only exceptions for use of a gaff and/or a net.

Who's we? And why not piece together why a kage IS allowed? :p

I didn't explain how a kage is legal to use as a gaff to take or assist in landing a legal sized fish. I just pointed out under 28.95 would make a kage legal to use in CA because you said it was illegal. I also pointed out 28.65 which you referenced had nothing to do with a harpoon, spear, or kage.

Besides, the Q&A you posted was asking about a harpoon/kage being used to land a halibut in which the answer was no. A kage is not a harpoon, but more like a spear in which the answer was stated yes it's legal to use but if under 28.95.

Agree. Lots of wording that can be open to interpretation and lead to great debates. :D

Curious, did the conversation up in Norcal make it to DFW ears or a push made to make a kage legal or to use? Any word on progress if so? Would be cool if a proper fish dispatching device could be well defined and legalized for us kayakers to benefit it's use. Bare handed gill ripping and punching the bejeezus out of a halibut is getting tiresome.

The way I read it is that you cannot use the Kage to brain the fish because the fish has not been landed (secured). Whether or not you are using it to lift the fish up or not, you are using it to assist in landing it. The rules only allow a gaff for that purpose. I agree that the spear referenced is only allowed for "persons" floating or swimming, not from vessels floating on the water. The rules, as you might expect, seem written in advantage of the fish.

Excuse
 

F & G Warden "Your getting a ticket for using a spear/kage"
Me "But officer it was a gaff but the fish straighten it"

SOLD Ken, The BANK of CJ has your deposit, told him you would be by around 4 today. Thank you.

What a beautiful tool, just picked it up this morning, it is very nice. It will be available to the highest bidder at Patrick's Bass N Brew 2014.

If you really want to use this thing over a gaff...buy it, use it, don't worry about it.

Yes Mr DFG, er I mean DFW officer. Yes, the fish was so big it straightened out my gaff and got away.

If your gaffing skills are anything like Matt's or Roby's you'll need a Kage, a gaff, three harpoons and two taser guns.

I can see Matt shooting himself in the leg with a taser, and then repeatedly stabbing his kayak with the Kage as he jitters. Rockfish can be scary with just a gaff!

AND even then the beast might not make it into the yak. If BERTHA is really mad she might just beat you with your own Kage! BIG BAD BUTT. Or maybe she will rattle YOUR cage?

When you deal with only HUGE fish like I do.....:). You needs whole arsenal of weapons.



Mere fishermen like the rest of you may be fine with just a gaff!:the_finger:

just tell DFG warden you only use the kage on sea lions :eek:

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Im in Hawaii and im looking for one of those kage harpoons,i'll take it for $40.

This one is dope. I wish I would of saw this when it was for sale. Haha of course MakoBob was all over it.