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swinginFish 06-30-2012 06:29 AM

THANKS BWE ADMINS
 
Beautiful day out there yesterday, and even better for some others. Clear, warm water, sunny, minimal surf, little wind, a few biting YT's and general good cheer on the water. Smallish barrecuda hitting lures and raking what few baits I could find (biggest challenge of the day was finding decent bait). Current running a bit southward keeping bull and other kelp less visible. Hook ups likely to weave macrame in the kelp - plan accordingly.

Note: Years past the norm here (and on the regional kayak-fishing blogs that preceded it) was to post so that others could benefit from the intel. Sorry to learn a few folks got overzealous and caved to the evils of "localism". As an undisputed member of LJ's (I hate this, but its evidently true) "old guard", can say the biggest lament about kayak fishing these days isn't the numbers, but the attitude. Consider this post my way of showing solidarity with those who believe in openly sharing so others can learn about relevant conditions as well as lessons, innovations and trophy fish.

Avery

theluckypig 06-30-2012 06:44 AM

:cheers1:

tasteslikechikn54 06-30-2012 06:45 AM

It's good to know that BWE has made it clear and hopefully we can get back to the important stuff... Good reports and timely info is always good. Cheers... Went out as well, and all I could manage was a nice greenie and like 4, 12 inch jack smelt... I couldn't make bait to save my life.... Good luck to all out there today.... Tons of life out there and the water was a nice, clean, blue color... I saw some of the biggest jellyfish I have ever seen in my life out there. Good luck.

jorluivil 06-30-2012 07:07 AM

Long overdue............

Jimmyz123 06-30-2012 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by swinginFish (Post 123401)
Beautiful day out there yesterday, and even better for some others. Clear, warm water, sunny, minimal surf, little wind, a few biting YT's and general good cheer on the water. Smallish barrecuda hitting lures and raking what few baits I could find (biggest challenge of the day was finding decent bait). Current running a bit southward keeping bull and other kelp less visible. Hook ups likely to weave macrame in the kelp - plan accordingly.

Note: Years past the norm here (and on the regional kayak-fishing blogs that preceded it) was to post so that others could benefit from the intel. Sorry to learn a few folks got overzealous and caved to the evils of "localism". As an undisputed member of LJ's (I hate this, but its evidently true) "old guard", can say the biggest lament about kayak fishing these days isn't the numbers, but the attitude. Consider this post my way of showing solidarity with those who believe in openly sharing so others can learn about relevant conditions as well as lessons, innovations and trophy fish.

Avery

This was what I loved so much about BWE when I joined a few years ago. I could login, read some reports, learn, ask questions, and feel like I was in a good place to learn kayak fishing. Then the swing came and it became clear that if you asked questions, posted a report, or whatever it was you were going to get crap from doing so, and at times threatened. What's with that? There's joking around and then there's crossing the line. I had someone threaten to punch me out if they ever saw me at La Jolla. That didn't scare me off from going to La Jolla because there's plenty of witnesses there, and I know how to defend myself if needs be.

I may not be liked by everyone, and that's O.K. but this is fishing and I'd be willing to chat it up with anyone to learn, help, and just flat out have fun fishing. I hope this site gets back to what I remember when I first logged on.

Jimmyz123 06-30-2012 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by tasteslikechikn54 (Post 123403)
It's good to know that BWE has made it clear and hopefully we can get back to the important stuff... Good reports and timely info is always good. Cheers... Went out as well, and all I could manage was a nice greenie and like 4, 12 inch jack smelt... I couldn't make bait to save my life.... Good luck to all out there today.... Tons of life out there and the water was a nice, clean, blue color... I saw some of the biggest jellyfish I have ever seen in my life out there. Good luck.

I had no trouble in the making bait Thursday in the morning, but after those ran out all I could make up was the Jack Smelt. I too saw some most amazing life out there. Black Sea Bass, WSB, YT, Bat Rays, I also saw jelly fish, were the ones you saw white and red?

There's life out there, but they weren't hitting anything I was throwing at them.

Drake 06-30-2012 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmyz123 (Post 123409)
I had no trouble in the making bait Thursday in the morning, but after those ran out all I could make up was the Jack Smelt. I too saw some most amazing life out there. Black Sea Bass, WSB, YT, Bat Rays, I also saw jelly fish, were the ones you saw white and red?

There's life out there, but they weren't hitting anything I was throwing at them.

The best luck I had catching Greenbacks yesterday was to reel in a bare 2/0 circle hook through schools of bait. The spanish and smelt were too lazy to chase it, so I would get the few greenies in the mix. It happened by accident the first time, tried it again and it seemed to work. This was late though, around 4pm

Fiskadoro 06-30-2012 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swinginFish (Post 123401)
Sorry to learn a few folks got overzealous and caved to the evils of "localism"


We've had these issues up in LA for years now especially with some in the Malibu crowd. Over the top reactions to posts, internet stalking, blatant aggression, threats, verbal altercations at the launches, even car vandalism.

I've only posted here for a few years, but in that time period I've seen the same mentality gain momentum here, often instigated by the same people or friends of theirs in the kayak scene. It's a real drag. Though these guys like to pretend they are the only "real" fisherman, you kind of have to wonder why these people even frequent boards if they are so anti the exchange of even the most basic fishing information.

It's great to see BWE take a stand on this. I hope it has an effect.

When I saw Scallywags deep hole/ Malibu report my first thought was: "Oh man he's really going to get it", and the second was "Great Report". Shame that first thought and it's related cynicism even entered into the equation.

Jim

Jimmyz123 06-30-2012 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake (Post 123413)
The best luck I had catching Greenbacks yesterday was to reel in a bare 2/0 circle hook through schools of bait. The spanish and smelt were too lazy to chase it, so I would get the few greenies in the mix. It happened by accident the first time, tried it again and it seemed to work. This was late though, around 4pm

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed a lack of sardines in the La Jolla area? I know there are years where we will see tons of dines and/or chovies, but usually not all at the same time.

Jimmyz123 06-30-2012 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiskadoro (Post 123415)
We've had these issues up in LA for years now especially with some in the Malibu crowd. Over the top reactions to posts, internet stalking, blatant aggression, threats, verbal altercations at the launches, even car vandalism.

I've only posted here for a few years, but in that time period I've seen the same mentality gain momentum here, often instigated by the same people or friends of theirs in the kayak scene. It's a real drag. Though these guys like to pretend they are the only "real" fisherman. You kind of have to wonder why these people even frequent boards if they are so anti the exchange of even the most basic fishing information.

It's great to see BWE take a stand on this. I hope it has an effect.

When I saw Scallywags deep hole/ Malibu report my first thought was: "Oh man he's really going to get it", and the second was "Great Report". Shame that first thought and it's related cynicism even entered into the equation.

Jim

I've been a member on another San Diego Fishing site since 2001 and through the years there have been many that have thought they could out fish anyone and everyone. Some of them probably could out fish many and all, but I have never seen that site get to a point where people have threatened others with fighting or any of that.

I have noticed that some in the Kayak fishing world have almost adopted that old skater/surfer mentality of, "this is our water you can't fish it unless I say so." Also there are those that if they don't see you holding a YT,WSB, or Halibut from your Kayak then you are not worthy to post up fishing information, tips, or tricks. Just because I haven't caught any YT or WSB from my kayak doesn't mean I don't know how to fish or anyone else for that matter. I have helped many catch good amounts of fish, and of good quality over my years of fishing.

Thank you BWE for taking this stand, and I think the only way this site is going to get back to what many of us remembering it to be like is if we all work together to make it the best Kayak fishing site out there. This isn't BD Kayaking, it's BWE. :you_rock::cheers1::luxhello:

Now, can we all just go catch some :wsb:and just get along?

Pocoloco 06-30-2012 08:39 AM

Thanks bwe, this forum is for reports....., give some good info then brag about your catch if you want. i love pics but please post an informative report. You still have to go out and get em.:cool:

jorluivil 06-30-2012 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by m.vint (Post 123422)
Thanks bwe, this forum is for reports....., give some good info then brag about your catch if you want. i love pics but please post an informative report. You still have to go out and get em.:cool:

You couldn't of ended that sentence any better. I know a few guys that went out 2-3 days straight and of the 5 or so only 1 managed to land a fish and that was after a 10-12hr day.

Gigafish 06-30-2012 09:44 AM

Let that river flow:linesnap:

bubblehide 06-30-2012 11:33 AM

It's great to see the Mods stepping in an moderating. I've witnessed a couple other boards where the mods stepped back and let the mud fly, it eventually got so bad, the mods let the bullies take control. Needless to say, those boards pretty much died, as no one but those in the "inner circle" bother to post there any longer.
:notworthy::luxhello:

My hats off to the Mods.

dsafety 06-30-2012 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bubblehide (Post 123444)
It's great to see the Mods stepping in an moderating. I've witnessed a couple other boards where the mods stepped back and let the mud fly, it eventually got so bad, the mods let the bullies take control. Needless to say, those boards pretty much died, as no one but those in the "inner circle" bother to post there any longer.
:notworthy::luxhello:

My hats off to the Mods.

I could not have said it any better. There is a fresh breeze blowing in off the water today. Our community will be much better as a result. Thanks guys for stepping up.

Bob

MrM 06-30-2012 08:27 PM

I've been on vacation for a few days (fly fishing report coming, by the way...) but I must have missed something by the notice up top and this thread...

Either way, this site has been helpful to me in every way. From my very first post, everyone was nice and welcomed me with open arms, and I never really said thank you for that.

So, thanks BWE. Let's keep it up, and catch some fish. Looking forward to the day when I can lend a hand to someone else.

:you_rock:

tasteslikechikn54 06-30-2012 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmyz123 (Post 123409)
I had no trouble in the making bait Thursday in the morning, but after those ran out all I could make up was the Jack Smelt. I too saw some most amazing life out there. Black Sea Bass, WSB, YT, Bat Rays, I also saw jelly fish, were the ones you saw white and red?

There's life out there, but they weren't hitting anything I was throwing at them.

Yeah... They were more of a purpleish color, with white. But they were huge... I would've stayed out later my I gotta call from the commander and had to head home... I ran into BUTTCHASER, and he told me to hang around for the afternoon bite... I almost doubled back, but decided to call it a day. Don't wanna piss off the old lady...

taggermike 07-01-2012 12:52 PM

Thanks Avery, well said. Seeing reports like this gets old fast; "Me and CoolGuy#1 caught the right kind at our usually secret place". Mike

Iceman 07-01-2012 06:57 PM

Again, the point we would like to drive home is post what you want or don't. Criticizing other contributing members for what they share or choose not to share will get you shit canned.

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lambadmin 07-01-2012 07:00 PM

Yes indeed.

Comment removed; user banned for 1 week. If such comments continue, we’ll ban permanently. We will not tolerate any BS.

Avery, thanks!! :cheers1:

YakMedic 07-01-2012 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 123588)
Again, the point we would like to drive home is post what you want or don't. Criticizing other contributing members for what they share or choose not to share will get you shit canned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lambadmin (Post 123590)
Yes indeed.

Comment removed; user banned for 1 week. If such comments continue, we’ll ban permanently. We will not tolerate any BS.

Avery, thanks!! :cheers1:

Very cool guys... You move with a swift hand. Good looking out for the kayak fishing community. :you_rock::cheers1:

mtnbykr2 07-02-2012 09:38 AM

let's get back to it :grouphug:

blazian 07-02-2012 11:30 AM

Finally
 
Finally, we have a forum that is back to normal, instead of a bunch of asshats trying to keep all fish to themselves. I'm guessing they aren't very happy now. heheheheheheh

Jimmyz123 07-02-2012 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blazian (Post 123695)
Finally, we have a forum that is back to normal, instead of a bunch of asshats trying to keep all fish to themselves. I'm guessing they aren't very happy now. heheheheheheh

There is a much different feeling on the boards at this time now. A much more relaxed welcome feeling again.

wiredantz 07-02-2012 07:46 PM

:you_rock: ICeman

BigBalsa 07-02-2012 08:49 PM

I continue to log time OTW but have yet to "pop the cherry", so every little bit of advice helps. Thanks to all the unselfish posts out there. Hopefully a catch soon, and I'll be able to share a post with a PIC!

Keep the spirit of the pursuit true.

cajunman 07-03-2012 07:13 AM

As an long time member, ( not as much kayaking as i would like) I also would like to thank the moderators for taking this step. This is a great board and will continue to be
rich

Iceman 07-03-2012 07:34 AM

Holy crap Cajunman resurfaces! :D Long time know see Rich............who's next Lifeguardguy? Fishinmagician???????:D

swinginFish 07-03-2012 08:20 AM

resurfacing ....
 
Yo Rich! Get off that boat and get some exercise! As for "resurfacing", note that Tobey's in town, and with a little persuasion, perhaps we can arrange an OTW rendezvous and share fish stories over some ..... ibuprofin!

Avery

cajunman 07-03-2012 10:08 AM

actually been traveling ( camping a lot) checking out places to retire. Been bringing the Yak along and getting in some nice fishin. Last one was a week a Morro Bay, filled up on rockfish.

Tell tobey hi and to give me a call too. Iceman, thanks for the acknowledgement

rich

Enceladus 07-03-2012 11:30 AM

My only regret is that I haven't had a post worthy of warranting any intimidation. Some day, tho...someday...:o

Jim Sammons LJKF 07-03-2012 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 123840)
Holy crap Cajunman resurfaces! :D Long time know see Rich............who's next Lifeguardguy? Fishinmagician???????:D

Wow if you can get those two back on here it would almost be like old times. Don't forget Tom Booth too.

swinginFish 07-03-2012 02:02 PM

Roll call ...
 
Sammons?! Woa, what's happening here? Can't help but wonder which of the other aging knuckleheads continue to lurk on the outskirts?

A "fresh breeze" indeed!

Siebler 07-03-2012 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 123840)
Holy crap Cajunman resurfaces! :D Long time know see Rich............who's next Lifeguardguy? Fishinmagician???????:D

I was thinking the same thing! Rich sold me my very first kayak, a Cobra Explorer.

Jimm H 07-03-2012 04:28 PM

Right On, Avery.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Sammons LJKF (Post 123907)
Wow if you can get those two back on here it would almost be like old times. Don't forget Tom Booth too.

Jim: Tom Booth sold his La Jolla house and moved to Lake Tahoe two year ago. ( I still talk to him periodically). Of course, if you have legal/criminal problems he's still your best bet at a defense attorney (knowing how you've mellowed, Jim, you probably won't need his number as much as I thoought you would in the th "old days"

Adam K. (FishinMagician) got MARRIED, and is a volunteer member of the SD Mountain Rescue unit.

Last I heard, Brian the LGG was fishing bass tournaments, but that was some time ago.

Funny how most of the guys that pioneered kayak fishing in La Jolla has moved on to fishing elsewhere, own boats now, etc. I launched from the shores on my kayak a month or so ago for the first time in a year and some guy asked me if I needed any advise on getting out. i told him I've got close to 600 launches there, so no... he then started asking me about things and we talked to for about 10 minutes. There used to be a lot of sharing and a lot of radio chatter on 71. Now, a lot of silence.

It used to be reports contained time, depth, hook type, line size, leader, bait type and size, water clarity, conditions, signs, etc. Last couple of years seems to be a photo followed by a lot of "nice catch"... "nice fish" atta boys.

Thanks for taking a stand supporting a return to informative reports

Jimm H

Iceman 07-03-2012 04:32 PM

Doctor Gary? :D

Tman 07-03-2012 06:31 PM

Johnny Ceviche, anyone?

Do miss the old days of fresh on the water reports...

cajunman 07-03-2012 09:10 PM

ah J. Cervechie paddling in from an all night fishing trip while we were going out

swinginFish 07-03-2012 11:06 PM

Roll Call!
 
Geez, let's take a walk (or is it paddle - no, peddle) down memory lane.

Jimm H - Was hoping you'd be lurking out there. Thought of you recently given the fresh report of a GW cruising around again. Recall the banter at grey light between you and Tom a day after a shark report years back, i.e., Tom: "If we see something, what should we do?" You: "Paddle fast." Tom: "How fast?" You: "Just faster than Avery - he's somewhere behind us".

Ahh, friends...

Yep, we truly did enjoy a distinct comeraderie back then. As for Johnny Ceviche, I'll never forget seeing him surf a small LJ wave in on his OK SP. It was around 8 AM - think it was this time of year and at least a decade in the past. I was just about to paddle out, and upon seeing Johnny, was concerned he'd pearl given how low his yak was in the water. He didn't, and as he got closer to shore I realized what was up, i.e., he had two large YT's and an even bigger WSB strewn across his bow! Epic Johnny (For those unfamiliar with Mssr. Ceviche, you've a fine Google/YouTube journey ahead if interested). Hey, you out there Johnny? Wonder who else is lurking out there? C-level? Trout? Pat? Al?

Roll call!

Montesdad 07-04-2012 06:14 AM

Thank you Mods - appreciate your contribution to the site and our sport.


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