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Limits 05-14-2010 09:02 PM

Anti-Hobie sentiment?
 
On another board, it seems there is a bias against Hobies. Why is that?

Is it the lack of storage? Stigma that Hobies aren't true "kayaks"? I can't figure it out.

All I know is that Hobie took real good care of me. I'm a customer for life after they hooked me up.

semiwrecker 05-14-2010 09:08 PM

:confused:they probably cant afford one?

Jimmyz123 05-14-2010 09:21 PM

Not everyone likes Hobies, me personally I'm sure they have their pluses and minuses, but I personally like the Ocean Kayaks, and Malibu kayaks. Not sure why people have such and dislike for them, they are pretty cool, just not my cup of tea.

GunWall Flint 05-14-2010 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semiwrecker (Post 56931)
:confused:they probably cant afford one?

Lol. thats a harsh statement

P.s i love my hobie

dsafety 05-14-2010 09:43 PM

Two words. Peddle Envy.

Bob

Gino 05-14-2010 10:17 PM

they dont make a big mans kayak :biggrinjester: OR else Id buy one!

Dan 05-14-2010 10:35 PM

i'm saving for one of these:

"shotgun!"
http://www.aqua-cycle.com/photos/aqua8l.jpg

semiwrecker 05-14-2010 10:38 PM

:phow much she cost? ^^^

Dan 05-14-2010 10:39 PM

seriously......have not heard one person who switched from paddle to peddle ever complain about it. I'd try one.

deepdvr 05-15-2010 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gino (Post 56939)
they dont make a big mans kayak :biggrinjester: OR else Id buy one!

Pro Angler?????

Rob929 05-15-2010 09:40 AM

Some guys say they are kayak "purists" and Hobie's aren't true kayaks.

I'm a fisherman. Whatever gets me there. Its hard to beat peddling a Hobie, and experienced hands free kayak fishing. I personally don't care if I'm not considered a "true" kayaker. For the application, peddling beats paddling hands down. not to mention efficiency and range. The Mirage drive is an impressive engineering accomplishment that allows hands free propulsion. That's my $.02. But the Hobie vs. paddle argument will live on..

Limits 05-15-2010 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob929 (Post 56972)
Some guys say they are kayak "purists" and Hobie's aren't true kayaks.

I'm a fisherman. Whatever gets me there. Its hard to beat peddling a Hobie, and experienced hands free kayak fishing. I personally don't care if I'm not considered a "true" kayaker. For the application, peddling beats paddling hands down. not to mention efficiency and range. The Mirage drive is an impressive engineering accomplishment that allows hands free propulsion. That's my $.02. But the Hobie vs. paddle argument will live on..

Interesting. I guess that might be it.

Although, fishing yesterday, there's no way a guy in a paddle yak would have been able to fish the conditions I was in.

The current was so strong, you'd have to be able to wind in your line with ONE hand, and paddle with the other to keep you in place. With the Hobie, I was able to point the nose into the current, gently peddle and still be able to fish. When I stopped peddling, I was drifting 100 feet off the structure in about 2 minutes.

Still, to each their own I guess.

cowboybill 05-15-2010 01:55 PM

paddle vs peddle
 
I must admit, as I mentioned in a previous post, that I am new to kayaks, not a real experienced fishing guy, etc.....

When I was shopping, part of me was turned off by the price of hobie ( I was shopping for 2 kayaks, 1 for me and 1 for the wife)....there was also a part of me that likes the simplicity of a boat, and a paddle...I own enough stuff that needs maintenance and lubrication.

And when you look at the drive, it has chains, pivots, moving parts, etc.

But having fished with a guy that has one, and seen how efficient the system works being hands free, it is hard to honestly argue against the peddle system, especially for fishing!

Its like water cooled engine vs air cooled...
Long travel suspension vs no suspension...
Disc brakes vs drum brakes...

I will say I like the upper body workout that paddling offers, as most things like hiking, bikes, etc tend to work out the legs mostly...


My only fear is that if I replace my paddle kayak with a peddle, and the wife has an even harder time keeping up, then I need 2 of them, and we are back to Money!!

AAaargh!!!

:linesnap:

Jimmyz123 05-15-2010 03:50 PM

Let me ask this you all that own Hobies, do you still take a paddle out with You in the event your peddle drive does not work for what ever reason?

Ohana 05-15-2010 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmyz123 (Post 56983)
Let me ask this you all that own Hobies, do you still take a paddle out with You in the event your peddle drive does not work for what ever reason?

I take a paddle with me on my Hobie; the Hobie has an area on each side of the kayak to store the paddle. The mirage drive is great for trolling and/or making it easier to get from Point A to Point B very quickly. I use my paddle when I am in the kelp, planning to come ashore, or when I feel like giving my legs a rest. The nice thing about the mirage drive is you can set the drive so the fins store against the kayak hull, pull up the rudder, and now you can get in shallow or on the kelp with your paddle, then when you are in deeper water, deploy the fins and off you go.

I looked at a lot of kayak manufacturers and the reason I chose the Hobie is the quality of the kayak and the mirage drive in my experience allows you to maneuver the kayak while allowing your arms to be free to handle the rod.

Kevin

fongman 05-15-2010 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmyz123 (Post 56983)
Let me ask this you all that own Hobies, do you still take a paddle out with You in the event your peddle drive does not work for what ever reason?

you'd be crazy not to take it with you. The last time I was in the bay, I was sprinting to the launch ramp when one of my turbo fins came loose. If I didn't have the paddle, I'd have to paddleboard it back to the ramp.

It's also useful when you want to push off from something, back up, or maneuver around in tight spaces (docks).

Whizz Bang 05-15-2010 05:38 PM

Just got my revo....it is INSANE!!!!!! I spent half the day just giggling like a school girl and pedalling like a lunatic....to easy.

deepdvr 05-15-2010 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whizz Bang (Post 56996)
Just got my revo....it is INSANE!!!!!! I spent half the day just giggling like a school girl and pedalling like a lunatic....to easy.

Yeah it was pretty embarrassing being around you and your giggling. Thanks again for the phone call on Friday afternoon with the following theme.....'YOU PICKED THE WRONG DAY TO FISH' :mad:

Gino 05-15-2010 06:33 PM

pro angler is a boat not a kayak :biggrinjester: at 100lbs dry, I'll stick to the Malibu Extreme

I dont like leaning back or the way I sit in the Hobie, makes me feel like im going to flip. Im sure adjusting the mirage Drive would fix most of that. I feel more at controll paddling than I do peddling.

skipper 05-15-2010 07:43 PM

hobie rocks!!!
 
I have a pro angler \EVO drive, spent the past week IN lake havusu , put 20 miles on and never did paddle or peddle . Iwas just FISHING!!!!:reel::reel::reel:

steveooo 05-15-2010 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Limits (Post 56928)
Stigma that Hobies aren't true "kayaks"?


Winner Winner!
They aren't true "kayaks"- They are peddle powered whatevers.

But, they work great, are super efficient, and as you mentioned they have great customer service. I started with a Hobie due to a shoulder injury and have been sold since then. I do have a spot in my heart for paddleing though. The simplicity of grabbing a seat, a paddle and a rod seems rad to me, althouhg I don't know too many paddlers that would do that either....

WahooUSMA 05-15-2010 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skipper (Post 57009)
I have a pro angler \EVO drive, spent the past week IN lake havusu , put 20 miles on and never did paddle or peddle . Iwas just FISHING!!!!:reel::reel::reel:

Now thats what I am talking about...my next investment....ProAngler and EVO drive...

How long can you go on a charge?

dsafety 05-15-2010 08:35 PM

The Mirage drive is a wonderful thing but you still need to bring along a paddle. If you want to go into the kelp, the peddle system will not cut it. Paddles are a necessity. Similarly, landing in big surf is easier with a paddle. I strap down the drive, raise the rudder and use the paddle on almost every landing.

That said, in my opinion, the Hobie system is far superior when used for a fishing platform. The other day I was chasing a fast moving YT feeding frenzy while trying to cast a jig stick.I peddled like an Olympic sprinter while getting my jig stick ready to cast. I would have to have chosen one activity or the other on a paddle kayak.

For the record, my Revo caught up with the fish and it only took me one cast to hook up.

Try it once and you will be a convert.

Bob

Billy V 05-15-2010 09:59 PM

Hobie makes a high quality kayak, and nice fishing accessories.

Custom plug and play bait tank, slick rod holders, good sealing hatches, good customer support after the purchase, and more.

The mirage drive is soo efficient that you'll probably gain weight after buying a Hobie. No Joke, is almost impossible to break a sweat.
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TCS 05-16-2010 08:13 AM

It's a little like the longboarder vs. shortboarder controversy in surfing or skiing vs. snowboarding. There are a lot of guys out there that have been kayak fishing for a long time, are excellent fishermen, and they paddle their kayak. Then along comes the mirage drive, more popularity, and maybe the hobie makes if easier to be a good fisherman.

semiwrecker 05-16-2010 09:47 AM

Kayak: : an Eskimo canoe made of a frame covered with skins except for a small opening in the center and propelled by a double-bladed paddle...

So none of us are fishing out of true kayaks since we don't have the animal skins. So those Hobie guys are doin it ALLL wrong. No animal skins or double bladed paddle? Hobies arent real kayaks they're fake kayaks... i fish a fake kayak called a Pro Angler... so next time make sure to cover your PWC with fish skins that way it will become a kayak... :biggrinjester:

Siebler 05-16-2010 01:54 PM

Everybody has their own reasons for Disliking/ Liking of the Hobie Kayaks. Personal;ly I have found too many negatives to gain the one Positive of Hands Free Fishing. Some of the Negatives are not as big of a deal to others as they are to me. Again to each his/her own.

Plus after almost 10 years of Kayak fishing I just enjoy the paddling part.

And yes I have tried the Hobies and work on them for customers very regularly.

robmandel 05-16-2010 04:34 PM

dunno about anti-hobie sentiment. I think some guys just gotta bitch about something. I'll say this though: I've never been almost run over by a hobie :biggrinjester::biggrinjester:

we're all 6" above the water on a piece of plastic. how you move from point a to b under human propulsion, I gather, is irrelevant. I've actually never rode a hobie, maybe in part because I figure if I do, I'll never be happy until I get one :D :D :D also, I love paddling. to each their own.

every kayak has its pluses and minuses. hobies don't have the storage for rods (like my FND did and my T15 does) and they are less than ideal in the surf. they seem, seem, to be more popular closer to LJ where longer excursions are the norm. more up north, us malibu guys, don't see as many. our trips are shorter, and the surf a bit more interesting. but they work all the same.

one thing I've always been leery of, and I'll catch some shit for this :eek: :eek: :eek: is that old saying "mechanical device subject to failure". I htink every hobie owner I've fished with has had, at one (or many) time, some mechanical problem with them, and a few times, on the water. that is not to impugn hobies, or the company. great product, great company. and probably a stupid concern.

there are more important things to fight over. for instance, power pro sucks. use izor spectra. shimano calcuttas are way overpriced and come with crap drags. get a daiwa luna. oh, and 2-speed lever drag reels are simply so guys can brag they fish with 2-speed lever drag reels.
:sifone: :sifone: :sifone: :sifone: :sifone:

Iceman 05-16-2010 04:52 PM

http://leahklug.files.wordpress.com/...mbentbike1.jpg

dsafety 05-16-2010 04:57 PM

OK Rob, I'll bite. Why do you think Power Pro sucks and Izor is better? Please start another thread so we can have a discussion.

I have no experience with any kind of Spectra other than Power Pro and need to fill a new reel, so I would like to hear what you have to say.

Bob

Billy V 05-16-2010 06:03 PM

My favotite kayak is.........

The Ocean Trident Torque
There, I said it out loud.

Gino 05-16-2010 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 57074)

They Make Bikes too!!! Hobie is doing it all these days!!! :biggrinjester:

batty1of3 05-16-2010 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semiwrecker (Post 57052)
Kayak: : an Eskimo canoe made of a frame covered with skins except for a small opening in the center and propelled by a double-bladed paddle...

So none of us are fishing out of true kayaks since we don't have the animal skins. So those Hobie guys are doin it ALLL wrong. No animal skins or double bladed paddle? Hobies arent real kayaks they're fake kayaks... i fish a fake kayak called a Pro Angler... so next time make sure to cover your PWC with fish skins that way it will become a kayak... :biggrinjester:

aha finally something to do with those pesky sea lions :biggrinjester:

danny 05-16-2010 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gino (Post 56939)
they dont make a big mans kayak :biggrinjester: OR else Id buy one!

This is a good kayak for a 300lbs fisherman it has the pedal drive and something the hobie lacks (reverse ) it is a A much better kayak. You have to want to flip this thing.

http://www.nativewatercraft.com/mari..._propel_lg.cfm

robmandel 05-16-2010 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsafety (Post 57075)
OK Rob, I'll bite. Why do you think Power Pro sucks and Izor is better? Please start another thread so we can have a discussion.

I have no experience with any kind of Spectra other than Power Pro and need to fill a new reel, so I would like to hear what you have to say.

Bob

I use PP, sufix, and izor spectra. couldn't tell you the difference if my life depended on it. just figured if people are going to fight over whether hobies are real kayaks, we ought to fight over other things too :D :D :D

it's all good. in fact, I also use spiderwire spectra in the lighter tests on my baitcasting reels. like it quite a bit. some people don't.

just trying to get the juices flowing before cat. what better way to start a trip than by having people pissed at you. I was just having fun. never take anything I say seriously :biggrinjester: :biggrinjester: :biggrinjester:

friday can't come quick enough!!

Gino 05-16-2010 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny (Post 57084)
This is a good kayak for a 300lbs fisherman it has the pedal drive and something the hobie lacks (reverse ) it is a A much better kayak. You have to want to flip this thing.

http://www.nativewatercraft.com/mari..._propel_lg.cfm


Posted Capacity is 375lbs... Not a good kayak for a 300lb guy who has a bait tank, and gear on board.

Im a 300lb guy, Malibu Extreme or X-factor probebly best boat for a bigger guy that still tracks straight.


Pro Angler is to heavy to wheel around, To heavy to lift up onto a car. Id get one if i had a flat bed truck. even then i think they are less stable than an x-factor or a extreme becuase you sit higher up in it.

Siebler 05-16-2010 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robmandel (Post 57085)
I use PP, sufix, and izor spectra. couldn't tell you the difference if my life depended on it.


The manner in Which Izor is coated and then Woven is what makes it different from the others. Also the White Spectra is superior in casting to others as it will not stick to itself.

Sorry had to give the answer.

danny 05-16-2010 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gino (Post 57092)
Posted Capacity is 375lbs... Not a good kayak for a 300lb guy who has a bait tank, and gear on board.

Im a 300lb guy, Malibu Extreme or X-factor probebly best boat for a bigger guy that still tracks straight.


Pro Angler is to heavy to wheel around, To heavy to lift up onto a car. Id get one if i had a flat bed truck. even then i think they are less stable than an x-factor or a extreme becuase you sit higher up in it.

you are welcome to try mine out. I took a lot of them out before I got the one i have I have had my bait tank full size ice chest, 36 pack, ice and all the kinds of gear in very ugly weather and I am sold on this design. The pontoon style is the way to go.

fongman 05-16-2010 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danny (Post 57097)
....I have had my bait tank full size ice chest, 36 pack, ice and all the kinds of gear in very ugly weather.....

where were you going with a full size ice chest filled with a 36 pack of beer? My guess is you were trolling for babes at the floatapalooza! :cheers1:

danny 05-16-2010 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fongman (Post 57103)
where were you going with a full size ice chest filled with a 36 pack of beer? My guess is you were trolling for babes at the floatapalooza! :cheers1:

My friend have hobies so i need to carry the beer. 12 hours of fishing I can put down a 36 pack. I hope I am not the only Irish fisherman.


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