One more time
 

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We need everyone at the BRTF meeting November 10th.

The sky is falling again.

All kidding aside, this will be the meeting the BRTF recommends the prefered map of closures. In the other finished regions, every time the BRTF recommends a map, it gets approved. They were supposed to decide October 22, but ran out of time. Now they will decide on November 10th.

There will be a public comment session at the BRTF meeting on November 10th. :eek:. Don't know what time public comment will be.

November 10, 2009
9:30 a.m.
Sheraton Gateway Hotel
6101 West Century Blvd.
Los Angeles, CA 90045

Originally there wasn't going to be one. They are going to go based on precedent. After they make a motion on the FINAL map, we have one last chance for specific comments. This will be your only chance to comment on the specific recommended map.

This is not the time to talk about how much the process sucks. This is the time to give one last pitch. They specifically want to hear arguments and reason they haven't heard before. Any new information you may have.




From a Surf Rider Board:
http://www.fluidgroove.net/phpBB3/vi...hp?f=19&t=1110

If true this means not everything is above the table :rolleyes: . Imagine that. We need to be there to hold people accountable.

Every time there has been a poor turnout by fishermen, big rulings have gone against us. We cannot afford that this late in the game.

Ramp it up guys...

Let's see if they tactfully place the Public Comment period in the day time again before 2:30pm so they can bus the kids in again.

Let's saddle up kayakfishermen. Spearos will be there.

More info to follow.

Just wanted to get this out there as soon as possible because I just got it.

I will be there.

I have to take another fook'n day off work for this chit.

Of course I will be there.

Now that I am publicly proclaiming it, I can't call in sick though :biggrinjester: .

Roll Call

1. Tyler
2. Greg
3. Zenspearo
4. Billy V
5. Jason
6. Mark Olsen
7. Josh Rider
8. Mark Pierpont
9. Jeff Kreiger
10. Jim Sammons
11. Brent
12. Jeff (So Cal Shaggy)
13. ????????


Come on guys.

Squid bite at LAX :p. Let's do this.

Anyone know where to grab beer after? We'll need it.

Add Jeff and Erika to the list Tyler.

Got it. And thanks to both of you for doing so much for our cause.


1. Tyler
2. Greg
3. Zenspearo
4. Billy V
5. Jason
6. Mark Olsen
7. Josh Rider
8. Mark Pierpont
9. Jeff Kreiger
10. Jim Sammons
11. Brent
12. Jeff (So Cal Shaggy)
13. Erika
14. ????????/

"BRTF will introduce a new array for proposed closures on the in a few days. The short sighted fishermen tried to cheat society out of a win-win resolution by perpetuating their unsustainable practices We are able to re-introduce closures that truly benefit mother ocean."

Aw, he must be a sweet fella...

Now go buy your fish from a plastic wrap. Cheat society?

Are you phookin' kidding me?

Unsustainable practices?

How about money spent for more wardens, how about money spent for more artificial reefs, how about slot limits, how about money spent to boost population, ever hear of the WSB Hatchery Program...

Seems they have spent more $ trying to shut the understaffed, underfunded, and unenforceable fishery management down rather than to find ways to make it a sustainable fishery...

Sorry guys, someone had to say it.

I'll try to make it...I can't believe this nonsense...:banghead:

count me in!!!

"mother ocean" WTF!!! these guys are religious fanatics folks. everyone better realize with the beliefs they have, this is not even close to the end. they will keep coming, and coming, and coming, and coming, and coming, and coming and coming until every square inch of water is closed to fishing.

welcome to the soviet union.

It will be more exploitation of children.
Bring your left over Halloween candy to feed the kiddies.
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That guy TOM HALL's Post should get your back up. Lets show them weak, brainwashed servile what real organization can produce.
See you there Tom.:reddy:

I am in

I see a stage being set for some nice civil disobedience
sometime down the road when this chapter is over
depending on how bad they shaft us...

We get about 200 kayaks to launch at one of the closed sites...
and we go out and worship "Mother Ocean":reeling:


come and get us


A good man will bend over backwards to keep the peace
These people are trying to get us to bend over forward:reddy:

"The short sighted fishermen tried to cheat society out of a win-win resolution by perpetuating their unsustainable practices "

That quote's got my blood boiling!!!! You said it right Tman, no need for apologies. I'll be there, gloves off, but well behaved :bandit:

I'm in.

"The short sighted fishermen tried to cheat society out of a win-win resolution by perpetuating their unsustainable practices " This was some f-tard in Jacksonville Fl that couldn't carry my nut sack. :D

Most of the Surfrider members I know are fishermen also. We helped influence Surfrider's position regarding San Diego. I wish they had more members in Malibu.

Definitely a Clash of ideas going on...

Reminds me of a song from my youth...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDlwue0F9HY

May it enlighten some of the younger folks...Clay knows the song...and a bunch more...:D

I like what Don said,lets fish one of their red zones. Count me in I'll be there.

Well I am jammed at work, my boss will be on vacation, but YEAH I AM IN 100%! So much for extra days off at thanksgiving........


SERIOUSLY WE NEED EVERYBODY !!!!

This is THE meeting. Everyone thought the last one was it. The last one was the most important, until they put off the decision until November 10th.

Bump

I'll be there

1. Tyler
2. Greg
3. Zenspearo
4. Billy V
5. Jason
6. Mark Olsen
7. Josh Rider
8. Mark Pierpont
9. Jeff Kreiger
10. Jim Sammons
11. Brent
12. Jeff (So Cal Shaggy)
13. Erika
14. Bellcon
15. TMan
16. Rob Mandel
17. tattuna
18. Fishianodo
19. baja709
20. Matt
21. Gabe
22. ?????????/

Next

Thanks Adi for the front page and neon freakin' green :you_rock:

WTF is going on?:banghead: It seems like they just keep dragging this on until we fall back in our numbers and it appears, on record, that the opposition is in agreement? I hope the indecision is genuine and our public showing is not in vain. At any rate, we need to keep up the pressure now and show that we are not a malleable group of dumb fisherman.

I'm in:boxing_smiley:

I wonder if someone from Shimano is reading this post and is going to show?

Exactly, Don. I never thought any proposal would be given to the DFG "on time". A schedule for death? Wouldn't it be great to know the exact day you're going to die? Making it seem like your listening to all the people crying on the podium, while really plotting the end of fishing in Southern California takes time, I guess. This extra time enables the BRTF to look like they're at least thinking about a compromise :rolleyes:.

It would have been great to start licking our wounds by now, but I guess they're not done sticking needles under our toe nails. It's been so obvious at every meeting, the blatant bias is disgusting. We're like a Yellowtail being tossed back and forth by Knothead...a slow, but sure death.

Unfortunetely, the BRTF isn't a dumb freak of nature Sealion trained to never actually fish anymore...why fish when you can steal fish, right? Or should I say, why go fishing when you can buy fish?

On the question about Shimano showing up: One thing that pissed me off to no end was hearing quite a few guys say "wasn't it awesome Shimano had a rep come up to the stand and speak up about the economic impact". No! Too little too late. To have one, and I mean only one rep from a major company show up at the last meeting...are you fuc#$%! kidding me? The list of major companies that should have been at these meetings, from early on, is endless. It's disgusting!

I will not cede my time and you'll be able to hear me when they shut the mic off.

In!

I need transportation, and Ill show up for sure
I texted my friend who is an editor for a small newspaper company in San Luis Obispo.. but I dont know if hes gonna help.. didnt text me back

Copied this onto the bloody deck and kayak 4 fish boards. Didn't see anything on those and don't have time today to write that much. I should be there, still waiting for approval.

I went back and watched the BRTF meeting video archive. On that video they "openly" discuss all the different options for the different regions.

Funny how some of the BRTF options that showed up on MarineMap last week weren't discussed in public at all, but magically appeared. funny how all of them are antifishing. Somethigns rotten in Denmark. Are they trying to pull a fast one on us? Again? Are we going to let it happen?

We need you to be there November 10th to make sure it doesn't happen.

Hell Ya, I'll be there to kicka$$ and take numbers I'm not letting a bunch of I-pod, text messaging school kids interfere with something this important, BTW Black Shirts? .....H

bump.

In.

1. Tyler
2. Greg
3. Zenspearo
4. Billy V
5. Jason
6. Mark Olsen
7. Josh Rider
8. Mark Pierpont
9. Jeff Kreiger
10. Jim Sammons
11. Brent
12. Jeff (So Cal Shaggy)
13. Erika
14. Bellcon
15. TMan
16. Rob Mandel
17. tattuna
18. Fishianodo
19. baja709
20. Matt
21. Gabe
22. Habanero
23. Dark Horse
24. Ocean Angler
25. JoeBeck
26. Herbo
27. Kurt
28. Kiyo
29. Kelpangler
30. Dave Martin
31. Rick Valdez
32. Rick Valdez Jr.
33. Yaker81
34. Kevin Gugliotta
35. Andy Acevedo 36. Ed Zamora
37. Wil Pating
38. Herbo
39. paintnfish
40. Gregandrew
41. Jax Yak
42. Shortstack
43. Cucamunga Keith
44. Dochudson
45. Southboundhound
46. Civilizedcaveman

47. Theluckypig
48. piranha
49. Pig
50. KLCD
51. jclays
52. nextbite
53. MattSabal3

Great list so far. I might have double listed some people by their screen name and real name. We always need more.

A BRTF that understands our position, will only stick their neck out for us if we support them. They won't do it if we abandon them.

Even if they cut public comment short, we still need to be there. Our presence reminds them of the human cost and loss of opportunity the bad shapes represent.

So I shopped at Ralph's tonight...
 

Clay and I hit Ralph's to do some stocking up with the sales deals they had...we meandered over to the seafood section, ouch...could not believe the prices they wanted for snapper, tilapia (WTF?), color added salmon, halibut brown around the edges, tuna that was a pinkish color, along with other species, nothing under $4.99 a pound...

So what happens if these 'filets on ice' don't sell? Hmmmm...

And that was just the 'fresh' section...really liked the plastic wrapped fish, that was even more atrocious.

We don't even want to talk about the price of 'Chilean White Sea Bass'...give it an exotic name, mark it up...

Hope you savers of fish read this, couple questions for you though...do you eat fish, and if so, is it from plastic, or at restaurants?

And have you ever eaten at Red Lobster, don't ya wonder why the prices are so cheap? I for one refuse to eat there, never have, maybe if you do some research you'll find out why...

Majority of us like our fish fresh, like to know where it actually came from and how it was handled...and the majority of us don't buy netted, flopped on a deck, bruised, flash frozen, sealed in plastic fish...

Funny how we are portrayed as the bad guys and gals, when in actuality, seems to me that your seafood eating habits are the ones that should be scrutinized... :doh:

We are not even gonna go into the seals and sealions eating habits, since they're vegetarians...oops, wait, that's the manatees and dugongs. Of course the seals and sealions that congregate at Children's Pool know better than to eat undersized fish, so they aren't hurting the fish population...geez, what was I thinking...

The email is out

Will be there!!!!



JP

1. Tyler
2. Greg
3. Zenspearo
4. Billy V
5. Jason
6. Mark Olsen
7. Josh Rider
8. Mark Pierpont
9. Jeff Kreiger
10. Jim Sammons
11. Brent
12. Jeff (So Cal Shaggy)
13. Erika
14. Bellcon
15. TMan
16. Rob Mandel
17. tattuna
18. Fishianodo
19. baja709
20. Matt
21. Gabe
22. Habanero
23. Dark Horse
24. Ocean Angler
25. JoeBeck
26. Herbo
27. Kurt
28. Kiyo
29. Kelpangler
30. Dave Martin
31. Rick Valdez
32. Rick Valdez Jr.
33. Yaker81
34. Kevin Gugliotta
35. Andy Acevedo 36. Ed Zamora
37. Wil Pating
38. Herbo
39. paintnfish
40. Gregandrew
41. Jax Yak
42. Shortstack
43. Cucamunga Keith
44. Dochudson
45. Southboundhound
46. Civilizedcaveman
47. Theluckypig
48. piranha
49. Pig
50. KLCD
51. jclays
52. nextbite
53. MattSabal3
54. JP surf
55. ??????


Next??

Everyone should take some time to read the public comment letters posted on the DFG. A lot are from politicians (Republican and Democrat) and city/county/state officials who need to have their feet held to the fire. Some are from surfers who really should know better and others are from complete nut job enviro-talibans dead set on eliminating fishing, kayaking and surfing from "their" beaches.

I'm in too. See ya'll there!!!

I'll be there to express my vote of "no confidence" in this process. There are some that have been in this process from the beginning and have been lied to and manipulated for months as time and again the rules have changed. Remember Ext C? I guess this process will continue until we get it "right".

A few of the many things that annoy me...

A couple shapes showed up on the BRTF maps that were not discussed at all during the session, but magically they became options. These shapes received no RSG input. It was nice that the RSG members were able to give input to the shapes discussed in front of them.

In this "open and transparent process" where public input is welcome and such, they didn't release the memo that public comment would be allowed until Saturday morning :rolleyes:. This only gives people one working day.

The info leaked out Thursday evening, and they were looking for the leak. They didn't want to give people too much warning now because then they might actually be able to make it and participate.

1. Tyler
2. Greg
3. Zenspearo
4. Billy V
5. Jason
6. Mark Olsen
7. Josh Rider
8. Mark Pierpont
9. Jeff Kreiger
10. Jim Sammons
11. Brent
12. Jeff (So Cal Shaggy)
13. Erika
14. Bellcon
15. TMan
16. Rob Mandel
17. tattuna
18. Fishianodo
19. baja709
20. Matt
21. Gabe
22. Habanero
23. Dark Horse
24. Ocean Angler
25. JoeBeck
26. Herbo
27. Kurt
28. Kiyo
29. Kelpangler
30. Dave Martin
31. Rick Valdez
32. Rick Valdez Jr.
33. Yaker81
34. Kevin Gugliotta
35. Andy Acevedo 36. Ed Zamora
37. Wil Pating
38. Herbo
39. paintnfish
40. Gregandrew
41. Jax Yak
42. Shortstack
43. Cucamunga Keith
44. Dochudson
45. Southboundhound
46. Civilizedcaveman
47. Theluckypig
48. piranha
49. Pig
50. KLCD
51. jclays
52. nextbite
53. MattSabal3
54. JP surf
55. JJ
56. SeaDog
56. ???????


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