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GregAndrew 01-18-2021 03:56 PM

Big WSB from bottom to top (VIDEO)
 
https://rumble.com/vcztc5-white-seab...om-to-top.html

blitzburgh 01-18-2021 05:41 PM

What a biscuit! Dope vid! :cheers1::luxhello:

theluckypig 01-18-2021 06:07 PM

A fish’s worst nightmare... gregandrew...

JohnMckroidJr 01-18-2021 08:26 PM

Love this video, a good tune, and the UW clip is awesome! Let alone the quality of the catch! Interesting how the first WSB spit it out and wonder if the competition with the Calico helped the second one commit. Would like to see how you have your UW camera stabilized to take such clear shots. I imagine we would all have more persistence in our fishing if we could see how many times a trophy fish swam up and checked out our baits. Well done, Congratulations!:wsb:

FISH11 01-18-2021 10:20 PM

Congrats Greg, that's a Super Biscuit. Great underwater video.

DanaPT 01-19-2021 06:52 AM

Made to look easy.

Amazing job.

SoCalEDC 01-19-2021 07:34 AM

Agree with the above. The underwater footage was really interesting. I too wonder if that calico following it enticed the second fish to take it. A little instinctual FOMO.

As others asked, I too and curious as to how you mount the camera and keep it from spinning.

lbsurf2ca 01-19-2021 07:40 AM

Rad video Greg. Lots of good information to learn from that video.

LEEZO 01-19-2021 07:56 AM

I remember being on an Islander trip with you to San Clemente several years ago. you won the jackpot with one of those beasties. keep em coming sir very nice!

GregAndrew 01-19-2021 03:40 PM

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Here is my downrigger. The leash from the fin of the downrigger ball to the release clip is coiled up because it is about 5' long. Inside the jaws of the release clip (yellow) you see the clip i use to clip onto my fishing line. If a fish pulls hard enough, the clip will release from the jaws and my fishing rod will be disconnected from the downrigger assembly.

The reason my camera stays pointed toward my bait is that my fishing sinker and bait cause drag which transfers through the release clip and leader, to the back of my downrigger ball. Also the basic design of the finned downrigger ball helps to keep it running in the direction of travel.

GregAndrew 01-19-2021 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by LEEZO (Post 312501)
I remember being on an Islander trip with you to San Clemente several years ago. you won the jackpot with one of those beasties. keep em coming sir very nice!

Yep, that was a very cool trip. Not only the WSB, but the Halibut I caught was the largest male I have ever caught or heard of at 27lbs. Got the trifecta with a tiny YT that I released lol. I have a video of that trip on my YouTube page.

FullFlavorPike 01-19-2021 07:30 PM

a fine demonstration of lighter tackle fishing -- I love it!

Oolie 01-19-2021 09:14 PM

:iagree:Demonstrating yet again that even larger grade (congrats on that one) WSB are easily played and landed on the freshwater designed gear.


There's a place for heavy gear, but it's not open water.

JohnMckroidJr 01-21-2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Oolie (Post 312513)
:iagree:Demonstrating yet again that even larger grade (congrats on that one) WSB are easily played and landed on the freshwater designed gear.


There's a place for heavy gear, but it's not open water.

+1 .... WSB are notorious for heading out to sea to die of exhaustion, what's more commendable are the amount of Yellowtails that GregAndrew has taken on baitcasting outfits.

JohnMckroidJr 01-21-2021 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew (Post 312506)
Here is my downrigger. The leash from the fin of the downrigger ball to the release clip is coiled up because it is about 5' long. Inside the jaws of the release clip (yellow) you see the clip i use to clip onto my fishing line. If a fish pulls hard enough, the clip will release from the jaws and my fishing rod will be disconnected from the downrigger assembly.

The reason my camera stays pointed toward my bait is that my fishing sinker and bait cause drag which transfers through the release clip and leader, to the back of my downrigger ball. Also the basic design of the finned downrigger ball helps to keep it running in the direction of travel.

Sweet. I am surprised that you still have the wire DR line. Swapped mine out for braid to get rid of the humming sound, but after seeing a few of your videos, does not seem like the humming deters the fish at all?

With just a 4lb weight, and the camera mounted on the fin, that is a lot of drag........you must troll super slow? It looks faster in the videos? I am guessing you must be going under 1/2knot for speed to keep everything relatively vertical.

So the purpose of the snap swivel connected in the yellow DR clip is to allow the fish to pull out more line before the weight is released? Otherwise, seems like it would be easier just to attach the line directly to the DR clip.

Looks like you use a 1-6oz sinker about 3-6ft away from your bait? I am surprised at how the fish don't seem to mind the proximity of the sinker. In my heavily fished area off Florida, the "secret" to catching non-migratory fish is to keep the sinker out of sight. For grouper and snapper that means 40ft+ leader. I usually have a 75ft leader on my DR bait and trolling under 1 knot results in triggerfish destroyed baits and missed strikes. I opted for a Blacks DR clip because it resulted in fewer tangles. Kudos for running that rig without getting it all tangled up. Your videos are very inspirational. I am motivated to try your rig out. Thanks.

GregAndrew 01-21-2021 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnMckroidJr (Post 312547)
Sweet. I am surprised that you still have the wire DR line. Swapped mine out for braid to get rid of the humming sound, but after seeing a few of your videos, does not seem like the humming deters the fish at all?

With just a 4lb weight, and the camera mounted on the fin, that is a lot of drag........you must troll super slow? It looks faster in the videos? I am guessing you must be going under 1/2knot for speed to keep everything relatively vertical.

So the purpose of the snap swivel connected in the yellow DR clip is to allow the fish to pull out more line before the weight is released? Otherwise, seems like it would be easier just to attach the line directly to the DR clip.

Looks like you use a 1-6oz sinker about 3-6ft away from your bait? I am surprised at how the fish don't seem to mind the proximity of the sinker. In my heavily fished area off Florida, the "secret" to catching non-migratory fish is to keep the sinker out of sight. For grouper and snapper that means 40ft+ leader. I usually have a 75ft leader on my DR bait and trolling under 1 knot results in triggerfish destroyed baits and missed strikes. I opted for a Blacks DR clip because it resulted in fewer tangles. Kudos for running that rig without getting it all tangled up. Your videos are very inspirational. I am motivated to try your rig out. Thanks.

Before even trying the wire, I replaced it with braid. The wire it comes with only is about 80' long. The hum is coming from the stretched braid vibrating, which the wire would probably not be as prone to? Unlike what most people might think, sound does not seem to be a big factor to fish. Because it travels faster and further under water, they are bombarded with it almost always.

Generally I like to keep between .7 and 1 mph, which would be more of a drift than a troll. Enough to keep my bait moving, cover ground and keep the setup from getting vertical and spinning. Direction and speed of the current relative to my direction will sometimes change things up a bit.

I was getting too many false releases from the line run directly through the release clip. Each false release means cranking it all back up and resetting.

I am running an 8oz sinker almost always. It has to provide enough drag to keep my large baits from swimming around my camera rig. Ideally I would fish longer sinker leaders, but conditions dont allow for that very often. Between the bottom structure and the lack of average visibility, my hands are kinda tied. I could raise it up, but then reviewing the video seeing only the bait for hours on end would be tough to swallow.

You also hit upon the other reason I use the clip (see pic, plastic removed) in the release clip. I can drop my bait down first and lower my camera to it. I don't have to lower them both at the same time.

Chuck D 01-21-2021 05:52 PM

Sweet
 
Nice ghost Greg, epic footage as usual!!!!

SoCalEDC 01-23-2021 02:46 PM

Cool, thanks for sharing the rig. These videos are super informative

sanomick 01-25-2021 07:46 AM

Thanks for sharing. Great video work - nice WSB!!! :luxhello:

the dude 01-26-2021 06:12 AM

great video, what is your youtube channel?

GregAndrew 01-26-2021 02:14 PM

MrGregAndrew on YouTube

JohnMckroidJr 01-28-2021 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew (Post 312551)
Before even trying the wire, I replaced it with braid. The wire it comes with only is about 80' long. The hum is coming from the stretched braid vibrating, which the wire would probably not be as prone to? Unlike what most people might think, sound does not seem to be a big factor to fish. Because it travels faster and further under water, they are bombarded with it almost always.

Cannon wire is coated and was much noisier than braid on a Downrigger. My Braid is near silent, the 2ft piece of mono between my weight and release clip does hum. The Scotty DR is nice and compact, but I prefer a Cannon. I can lower or raise it with one hand, the line won't jump the spool in a swell which has happened to me with the Scotty, and 2ft per crank is nice. Evidently, the steady hum of the DR does not seem to bother the WSB and the direction of sound in water is hard to distinguish due to its speed of travel. That said, I thought that one of the reasons you use a paddle kayak is because it can be stealthier than a mirage drive.
As a kid, the Redondo Special was known as the WSB 1/2 day boat because it had a quieter generator. When targeting WSB Capt. Mueller would tell the passengers to avoid unnecessary noises. The City of Redondo seemed to catch less WSB but made up for it with Yellowtail. Some fish are less sensitive to noise. If noise is more constant of a lower volume, it seems more tolerable -- Like the hum of your DR, or the sound of my live well pump as opposed to the sound of a 6-71 diesel engaging in and out of gear. Sometimes the fish I am metering on a wreck will disappear when a charter boat pulls up. Florida Mutton Snappers are sensitive to the sound of a sinker hitting the bottom hard.

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew (Post 312551)
Generally I like to keep between .7 and 1 mph, which would be more of a drift than a troll. Enough to keep my bait moving, cover ground and keep the setup from getting vertical and spinning. Direction and speed of the current relative to my direction will sometimes change things up a bit.

GTK, I will try similarly(maybe get some video of triggerfish eating my bait).

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew (Post 312551)
I was getting too many false releases from the line run directly through the release clip. Each false release means cranking it all back up and resetting.

That can be a royal PITA. One of the reasons I opted to use a Black's clip was an adjustable tension knob. After looking closer at the Scotty, noticed its tension can also be adjusted, and there are other pinch clips with more variable tension settings on Amazon. Now I need to try some different clips!

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew (Post 312551)
I am running an 8oz sinker almost always. It has to provide enough drag to keep my large baits from swimming around my camera rig. Ideally I would fish longer sinker leaders, but conditions dont allow for that very often. Between the bottom structure and the lack of average visibility, my hands are kinda tied. I could raise it up, but then reviewing the video seeing only the bait for hours on end would be tough to swallow.

GTK -- will start out with 8oz. The short leader seems like it would be a must anywhere to hopefully get some good video. Curious as to what resolution you shoot in and if you have a lighting(ISO) setting? Editing software that offers fast viewing speeds for sifting through hours of video to find the strike clip is helpful.

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Originally Posted by GregAndrew (Post 312551)
You also hit upon the other reason I use the clip (see pic, plastic removed) in the release clip. I can drop my bait down first and lower my camera to it. I don't have to lower them both at the same time.

That's helpful as the Scotty almost needs a second hand for setting the adjustment break. Lowering the DR down until it meets the 8oz sinker and then winding it back up a few cranks without tangles and confident that it has a good view angle seems like something that will take some trials. Using the sinker slide prevents the rod from being loaded down by the DR weight. That's contrary to how most DR's are rigged, but no reason to change something that's working.

I appreciate the feedback and thanks for the inspiration -- Bell rung, liked and subscribed to your youtube channel.

JJ 01-29-2021 05:31 PM

This is fantastic :you_rock:
Greg, I've been trying to watch this video on Rumble for so long.
Every time I pull it up, the app shuts off on me.
Same this happened when I tried hitting the "follow" button.
Glad I found it here.
Definitely worth the wait.

Cheers!

-JJ-


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